Originally posted by Discosin reply to another guy:
Robinho was all over the La Liga last season, sheer class man. Himelf, Raul and VanNist are a great attackin threat. I dont think Robinho is best suited for a left winger tho.
Originally posted by Phat J
i think he'd step into any of those teams. he would work at arsenal because his passing and movement is as good as anyone at that plays for them and would add more width to their play which they need.
His passing and movement is for himself to get open. He's not the type to pass and not ask for the ball back. And Arsenal doesn't need a big ego striker. They have Adebayor and Van Persie who just as good if not better.
Originally posted by Phat J
you can think otherwise and thats fine, but honestly you know that any of these teams would take him because it would be stupid not to. im not saying they'd all pay the 40 million or whatever it is to get him, but he would play in their teams.
Wenger isn't stupid enough to take him. He has two great starters already and three up and coming strikers that all fit the system better because of their familiarity with it.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
His passing and movement is for himself to get open. He's not the type to pass and not ask for the ball back. And Arsenal doesn't need a big ego striker. They have Adebayor and Van Persie who just as good if not better.Wenger isn't stupid enough to take him. He has two great starters already and three up and coming strikers that all fit the system better because of their familiarity with it.
take the fact that its arsenal and manchester united away. who would wenger pick, tomas rosicky or cristiano ronaldo? eboue or ronaldo? i dont know man, rosicky's been there for a year so he knows the system better, but you're telling me ronaldo wouldnt be picked over either of them with the same advantage? even without it, to me thats just being stupid.
Originally posted by Phat J
calling c ron far less skilled than messi is pushing it a bit dont you think.
No, I think it's fairly realistic. I think calling C. Ron THE best player in the world because he's a prolific goalscorer and plays for Man U is a bit much.
Originally posted by Phat J
and ronaldo has scored similar goals, last year against fulham he took it from behnd his half way line, blew past all their defenders and scored to win the game in the last couple minutes.
Yes, once. Messi scores goals like that frequently. It's not a matter of being the one trick pony that C. Ron is. Run a bit, do stepovers and intimidate them into letting you by. He gets shut down against good teams, Messi not so much.
Originally posted by Phat J
he had his break out season last year, and hes playing even better this year, of course people are going to be talking about him. he already has as many goals this season halfway through as he did all last season. people are going to be talking about that, but just because people are talking about i dont see why you should just dismiss it as flavour of the month. i do agree with you that he hasnt proved his worth in the most important games yet, but i dont doubt that he will. ronaldo does it for portugal in the big games, im sure he'll do it for manchester.
Well then let's give him that credit if he does it, not because we're assuming he can.
Originally posted by Phat J
maybe you wouldnt put ronaldo up there, but i certainly would. but i wouldnt put gattuso, robinho or van persie up there. i wouldnt put adriano up there anymore either, he'd be up there if he had his mind on the game but not with how hes been acting for the past few years. hopefully the season in sao paulo'll get him back on track.
We're talking about players, though, not goalscorers. Robinho, Gattuso, Van Persie, Messi, they play better football. They don't just score goals (Not even Gattuso so much).
Originally posted by Phat J
if you look back at my post, i said he was the best player right now, not the best player in the past 5 years. right now no one is playing better football and having the same impact game in game out as c ron.
I think lots of people are playing much better football than him, I don't think the football he's playing is anything special at all. You're confusing prolific goalscoring with ability to play the game the best.
Originally posted by Phat J
i think he'd step into any of those teams. he would work at arsenal because his passing and movement is as good as anyone at that plays for them and would add more width to their play which they need.
He wouldn't, his style of play is not what Arsenal do, and that's all C. Ron can do. Rocas is right, Wenger isn't dumb enough to take C. Ron. He's turning down Adriano because he knows that it wouldn't work.
The only player I'd willingly accept coming in is Milan's Ronaldo, because he genuinely seems he'd fit anywhere.
You say you don't know who Wenger would take, but I know for a fact he'd take Eboue or Rosicky, because that is who makes up Arsenal's team and who play well within the system. He isn't Alex Ferguson, he doesn't take people because they're a big name. We're not the English Real Madrid.
Originally posted by Phat J
he'd walk into barca because he could have such an impact they would make room for him. i would pick ronaldo over henry, but thats more a matter of opinion than anything else they're such different players.
I love all this. He COULD do something, so therefore they WOULD DEFINITELY take him.
Originally posted by Phat J
you can think otherwise and thats fine, but honestly you know that any of these teams would take him because it would be stupid not to. im not saying they'd all pay the 40 million or whatever it is to get him, but he would play in their teams.
He wouldn't make it into Arsenal, and that's what I do know. I doubt he'd make it into regular first team football with Barca, Inter possibly, but I doubt it. Real, yes.
-AC
Originally posted by Phat JThe way Man Utd assist is in three man formation counter attacks. A lot of those assists are just gifts, not actual goal creations. His style isn't as compatible with Arsenal.
c ron got 20 plus assists last season.
Originally posted by Phat J
who would wenger pick, tomas rosicky or cristiano ronaldo? eboue or ronaldo? i dont know man, rosicky's been there for a year so he knows the system better, but you're telling me ronaldo wouldnt be picked over either of them with the same advantage? even without it, to me thats just being stupid.
Rosicky, and Hleb (Eboue isn't first choice).
They are the players that he wants. Ronaldo could possibly adapt, as you say, but then he wouldn't be the same player. Seems pointless to speculate on that.
Originally posted by Phat J
some of his passing and movement is for himself to get open, but i dont see a problem with that. to cite that as a disadvantage to him is stupid. he set up as many goals as he scored last year so i dont know wehre you're going with that one. i would rate van persie up there with ronaldo, but i wouldnt put adebayor up there at all. hes good but hes not that good.
You don't see a problem with a ballhog in a completely passing style offense? Really? Adebayor is a stretch, but the way he's playing now, Arsenal does not need to shell out the extra money to bring Ronaldo in.
Originally posted by Phat J
take the fact that its arsenal and manchester united away.
That never was a factor.
Originally posted by Phat J
who would wenger pick, tomas rosicky or cristiano ronaldo? eboue or ronaldo?
If it cost him the same, he would probably pick Ronaldo. But it flat out doesn't. He's too expensive of a player to bring in for a position that doesn't need anymore players.
Originally posted by Phat J i dont know man, rosicky's been there for a year so he knows the system better, but you're telling me ronaldo wouldnt be picked over either of them with the same advantage? even without it, to me thats just being stupid.
I'm telling you Wenger would not be daft enough to pay Ronaldo that much money to come and play a position that is already solid.
It's nice for an Arsenal fan, simply because if we win, we've beat Tottenham (Always good) and done it with our reserves more or less.
Yet if we lose...it was our reserves anyway, so it doesn't matter. Of course, I take part in the Arsenal/Tottenham feud in jest, but it bothers me how everyone assumed they'd be one of the top four and Arsenal would fight for middle table placement.
Honestly, it'd be nice to win another cup, but the league is what I care for. Less tourneys, less to focus on, more focus on league progression.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's nice for an Arsenal fan, simply because if we win, we've beat Tottenham (Always good) and done it with our reserves more or less.Yet if we lose...it was our reserves anyway, so it doesn't matter. Of course, I take part in the Arsenal/Tottenham feud in jest, but it bothers me how everyone assumed they'd be one of the top four and Arsenal would fight for middle table placement.
Honestly, it'd be nice to win another cup, but the league is what I care for. Less tourneys, less to focus on, more focus on league progression.
-AC
I hope the game is as good as the first leg. The Carling cup is important for Spurs atm because it's looking like our most likely route into europe (if we meet Chelsea in the final, we get into europe regardless dont we?).
I couldnt care less that it's Arsenal, sure it adds that little bit of spark to the semi-final, but I wouldnt care if we were playing Arsenal, QPR or Dagenham, it's an important game regardless.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Gilberto isn't anymore, I lost faith in him along with Senderos (Whom I never had faith in).-AC
I agree. I'm more worried about Gallas and Adebayor. Arsenal can't lose another Centre back, especially one of the team leaders, and with Van Persie out, Adebayor would be a big blow especially with how he's playing.
Originally posted by Df02
I hope the game is as good as the first leg. The Carling cup is important for Spurs atm because it's looking like our most likely route into europe (if we meet Chelsea in the final, we get into europe regardless dont we?).
Not sure; think it might go to the next league place.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I agree. I'm more worried about Gallas and Adebayor. Arsenal can't lose another Centre back, especially one of the team leaders, and with Van Persie out, Adebayor would be a big blow especially with how he's playing.
Ade probably won't play. If Gallas is injured it would be disastrous.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Not sure; think it might go to the next league place.
I thought the rules were that the last UEFA cup place goes to the winner of the cup, unless theyre in the compo already, then it goes to the other finalist, unless theyre in the compo already, then it goes to the next league position.
wait, i just read it on wiki, it does go to the next league place... it's the FA Cup where it goes to the losing finalist.
either way, the Carling Cup is still a very good oppurtunity for Spurs to get into Europe.
Just watched Egypt v Cameroon (African Cup) 4:2
Wow that was one fast & furious game, especially when you consider the temperature. There are some very fast players in these teams.
Muhammad Zidane is one of my favorite players (scored 2 goals) plays for Hamburg, I´m surprised no mega club have attempted to buy him yet. He´s been playing good for years now.
Eto ó scored 2 as well for cameroon.