Football (Soccer)

Originally posted by Nihilist
scoring in stoppage time isnt jammy, if you score in the first minute or last does'nt matter, that's why you keep going and be pro's.

How many times have Man u this season,chelsea over the last couple of seasons and Arsenal this season won 1-0 or by the odd goal?.....a lot of times, does that make them jammy?

And as for the part about deflection, that's part and parcel of the game it happen's to every team in the world.

Seriosly how can liverpool by lucky if they are the top scorer's in the league and ranked the no1 side in europe.

Ranked number 1 by who? God? Otherwise it doesn't make a bit of difference. They've never been the best team in the league, not since the 80s when, funnily enough, Arsenal ended the reign they haven't got back since. They aren't the best team in the league NOW, and this is their best run since. They don't play the best football, that's for certain.

Scoring in stoppage time is the indication that they have found it intensely hard to close the game out in normal time.

Not only that, but a lot of the time Liverpool go behind first. People turn it around and say "It shows desire.", it doesn't. It shows shit. Continually having to come back from goals down is not the strength of champions.

Liverpool are historically a lucky team. There is massive evidence for it.

Their last two trophy wins have been massively contestable, for example. A lot of their wins in the league have come after they've played absolutely dire and jiffed the win at the last minute.

Am I saying it happens to no team? No. It just happens way more with Liverpool. Either you're a new fan or you're a Liverpool fan, because nobody with right mind would deny their fortune.

1-0 to the Arsenal was a chant used because Arsenal used to suck teams in, counter them with what was (To this day, arguably) the most feared counter-attack in world football, get a goal and then shut up shop. It was, if boring, extremely tactical and intended. It was everything Benitez is claimed to be the master of, but actually isn't.

Liverpool had trouble scoring because they weren't good enough.

Yes, they deserved this win and would've been unlucky to not get it, but that doesn't change the fact that the goal they did get was lucky. They beat Real, who are shit anyway (If you watch La Liga), they beat Man Utd on their worst day, then they throttled Villa. So what? Before this, and before Man Utd bottled two games, they were out of the race. They're not back in it because they're awesome.

-AC

facepalm wow..just wow, at the level of idiocy in that post.

You're one of them pseudo intellectual type's who is so blinded by hate for a team it cloud's you're judgement.

Originally posted by Nihilist
facepalm wow..just wow, at the level of idiocy in that post.

You're one of them pseudo intellectual type's who is so blinded by hate for a team it cloud's you're judgement.

Got an argument? No?

Maybe next time we chat you'll have a grasp on grammar and punctuation and how your lack of one NOW removes your right to accuse someone of idiocy.

Come back when you know about football. Until then, this is the adult section. Just go play in the ballpit with the others.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Got an argument? No?

Maybe next time we chat you'll have a grasp on grammar and punctuation and how your lack of one NOW removes your right to accuse someone of idiocy.

Come back when you know about football. Until then, this is the adult section. Just go play in the ballpit with the others.

-AC

As for coming from a goal down to win is not championship material...united did that today, guess it makes them not worthy champion's then by you're logic.

you just seem to be jealous because Arsenal are a failing side who will never be a good European side and are a struggling 4-5th team at best.

Originally posted by Nihilist
it would be so easy to pick apart you're post, but it's not worth the effort.

You either can or you can't. I'm obviously worth replying to, and so will this post be.

The fact that you can't just reply to my argument suggests you don't have one. So that'll be the case.

Originally posted by Nihilist
As for coming from a goal down to win is not championship material...united did that today, guess it makes them not worthy champion's then by you're logic.

I never said "a goal down", did I?

Man Utd have not continually conceded goals and then had to come back.

Liverpool have not performed like champions.

If you wanna have this debate, then reply to my original post. If not, keep it quiet. Either we'll debate the topic properly, or not at all.

Originally posted by Nihilist
you just seem to be jealous because Arsenal are a failing side who will never be a good European side and are a struggling 4-5th team at best.

I'm not jealous of Liverpool, never have been.

Arsenal have had a "bad" season and they're comfortably in 4th. So what? That's bad by Arsenal's standards and, yet again, been plagued by injuries. Nothing to worry about at all.

Especially when you consider that it's ONE season. Last season Arsenal were favourites to win it, and unfortunately, injuries took their toll. That's the way the game works. Even so, Arsenal were still only a win from winning it. So if we consider the Birmingham game, where Arsenal were factually and undeniably screwed by a poor decision, to be three points. Well, that changes who the champions may have been.

How is that a "failing" side?

THIS is the closest Liverpool have come in 20 years. In that time Arsenal have won way more trophies, including their own league. Liverpool barely finished 4th last season, and Arsenal look like they're gonna finish 4th more comfortable than Liverpool did.

So no, not really, I've absolutely no reason to be jealous of Liverpool.

Here's my previous post, reply to it:

"Ranked number 1 by who? God? Otherwise it doesn't make a bit of difference. They've never been the best team in the league, not since the 80s when, funnily enough, Arsenal ended the reign they haven't got back since. They aren't the best team in the league NOW, and this is their best run since. They don't play the best football, that's for certain.

Scoring in stoppage time is the indication that they have found it intensely hard to close the game out in normal time.

Not only that, but a lot of the time Liverpool go behind first. People turn it around and say 'It shows desire.', it doesn't. It shows shit. Continually having to come back from goals down is not the strength of champions.

Liverpool are historically a lucky team. There is massive evidence for it.

Their last two trophy wins have been massively contestable, for example. A lot of their wins in the league have come after they've played absolutely dire and jiffed the win at the last minute.

Am I saying it happens to no team? No. It just happens way more with Liverpool. Either you're a new fan or you're a Liverpool fan, because nobody with right mind would deny their fortune.

1-0 to the Arsenal was a chant used because Arsenal used to suck teams in, counter them with what was (To this day, arguably) the most feared counter-attack in world football, get a goal and then shut up shop. It was, if boring, extremely tactical and intended. It was everything Benitez is claimed to be the master of, but actually isn't.

Liverpool had trouble scoring because they weren't good enough.

Yes, they deserved this win and would've been unlucky to not get it, but that doesn't change the fact that the goal they did get was lucky. They beat Real, who are shit anyway (If you watch La Liga), they beat Man Utd on their worst day, then they throttled Villa. So what? Before this, and before Man Utd bottled two games, they were out of the race. They're not back in it because they're awesome.".

Now either go reply, or go from the thread and come back when you know how to talk about football.

-AC

Ranked no1 team by UEFA,for winning the most matches in the champions league,premier league and progressing to the later stages of the champions league on a regular basis.

Liverpool have always been spoken about as a good footballing side at home(since the 80's) and in Europe, as i have witnessed first hand at away European games by foreign fans and press.

Liverpool have scored the most goals in the league so how does it make them lucky or even boring, unless you think every goal they have scored was lucky.

As for the rest of you're post it's just bias crap.

And as for Liverpool being out of the title race, up and till about 4 week's ago Liverpool was top and had been for a long while.

Come back when you understand football from a neutral non bias point of view.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Ranked no1 team by UEFA,for winning the most matches in the champions league,premier league and progressing to the later stages of the champions league on a regular basis.

Ok, UEFA. Let's look at UEFA:

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html

Better yet, FIFA.

I bet you and I, many others, could go through that table and pick issue with many of those rankings.

You can't take rankings seriously.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Liverpool have always been spoken about as a good footballing side at home(since the 80's) and in Europe, as i have witnessed first hand at away European games by foreign fans and press.

I don't care what they've always been "spoken" about as.

They've been "spoken" about as title contenders since they lost the plot at the end of the 80s, and they haven't delivered once.

It's 2009 and this is the closest they've come.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Liverpool have scored the most goals in the league so how does it make them lucky or even boring, unless you think every goal they have scored was lucky.

Liverpool have played EXTREMELY poorly throughout the season. Even Bicnarok, who is (Or was) this forum's die-hard Liverpool fan, has consistently derided them for that. That's what most people have criticised them for, that in a title race they play way too defensively.

You obviously believe goals means entertainment. Fair enough, but they haven't won every game 4-0. Man Utd are the only worthy team they got a massive scoreline against, and you can literally pick proper flaws in the way Man Utd played that day. It's not because Liverpool are the better team.

Man Utd had the best defense in the league, and all of a sudden they let in four goals. That's not due to Liverpool being excellent. Man Utd were shit on the day.

Originally posted by Nihilist
As for the rest of you're post it's just bias crap.

Go on.

Back that claim up. What exactly is biased crap?

The trophy wins being lucky? No, not really. 2005 Champions' League; beat Chelsea by a goal that never was. Got to 3-3 via a blatant Gerrard dive and then won on penalties.

F.A. Cup? Getting beaten by West Ham United and then won on penalties.

The first one was essentially by Gerrard cheating, the second was a hit and hope in stoppage time and then a penalty shootout, which essentially anyone can win.

Originally posted by Nihilist
And as for Liverpool being out of the title race, up and till about 4 week's ago Liverpool was top and had been for a long while.

By scrapings. Man Utd stormed into the lead and threw their OWN lead away.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Come back when you don't have you understand football from a neutral non bias point of view.

I'm not biased, these are facts.

I'm gonna wait to see how I'm allegedly biased.

Go on.

-AC

What's national side's ranking got to do with club football...nothing.

You can pick issues all you want it's based on wining games FACT.

So you are more of a authority figure than UEFA now saying ranking mean shit.

2009 is not the nearest they have come they finished second in 2001 and only just finished 3rd in 2005-7 seasons.

Liverpool have won 15 games this season scoring 2 or more goals (3,4,5)in some games.
Liverpool have only conceded 1 more goal than united, so all that must be down to luck again.

Beating the German,Italian and English champions en route to winning the champs league is another run of great luck i suppose.

As for the F.A. cup Gerrad's "hit and hope" 😂 i mean Gerrard has never scored long ranger's before has he.

Must be another stroke of luck West Ham could only score one pen, after all keeper's don't try to save pen's.

as for the bias

1-0 to the Arsenal was a chant used because Arsenal used to suck teams in, counter them with what was (To this day, arguably) the most feared counter-attack in world football, get a goal and then shut up shop. It was, if boring, extremely tactical and intended. It was everything Benitez is claimed to be the master of, but actually isn't.

Liverpool had trouble scoring because they weren't good enough.

Yes, they deserved this win and would've been unlucky to not get it, but that doesn't change the fact that the goal they did get was lucky. They beat Real, who are shit anyway (If you watch La Liga), they beat Man Utd on their worst day, then they throttled Villa. So what? Before this, and before Man Utd bottled two games, they were out of the race. They're not back in it because they're awesome.

Originally posted by Nihilist
What's national side's ranking got to do with club football...nothing.

You can pick issues all you want it's based on wining games FACT.

Yeah, not on how games are won, which is what counts.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So you are more of a authority figure than UEFA now saying ranking mean shit.

Facts are facts, but there is a great deal they DO NOT show, and that is what you are ignoring.

At the end of the day, yeah, it's what matters, but it's not all there is.

Their wins have not been all the facts reflect them to be. That's Liverpool fans for you, though. If Arsenal played shit but won, I'd not be a proud Arsenal supporter.

Originally posted by Nihilist
2009 is not the nearest they have come they finished second in 2001 and only just finished 3rd in 2005-7 seasons.

3rd? What does that have to do with anything here?

They may finish 2nd THIS season with closer points than in 2001.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Liverpool have won 15 games this season scoring 2 or more goals (3,4,5)in some games.

Liverpool have only conceded 1 more goal than united, so all that must be down to luck again.

That's down to them playing 10 defensive players in most cases. 11 Messis would have trouble breaking that down.

Man Utd have done it by having a great back four (Or two and keeper).

Let's look at their major scorelines:

Man Utd; they played shit. Liverpool took advantage.

Newcastle; same, but that's not surprising.

Villa: same.

This isn't bias, this is fact. If they were as good as you're making them seem, they'd not be having draws because they're scared of losing, losing to Tottenham etc.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Beating the German,Italian and English champions en route to winning the champs league is another run of great luck i suppose.

Italian? You mean when they won it by Gerrard diving for a penalty?

What happened when nobody dived? A.C. Milan beat them.

Inter? They didn't look likely to score until Inter had key defenders sent off BOTH times. Fact. Liverpool ONLY scored after this happened.

English champs? Who? Chelsea? Yeah, the goal that never was. What happened last time? Chelsea knocked them out.

Originally posted by Nihilist
As for the F.A. cup Gerrad's "hit and hope" 😂 i mean Gerrard has never scored long ranger's before has he.

He's missed more than he's scored.

As Andy Gray said after Gerrard repeatedly kept missing; "Don't keep giving him sighters.". As if to say: "Keep letting him shoot and he may score.".

Well...duh? Same with any player that has a decent scoring foot.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Must be another stroke of luck West Ham could only score one pen, after all keeper's don't try to save pen's.

West Ham are shit at penalties. They let Anton Ferdinand take one, for crying out loud.

Originally posted by Nihilist
as for the bias

Go on, how is that bias?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Yeah, not on how games are won, which is what counts.

Facts are facts, but there is a great deal they DO NOT show, and that is what you are ignoring.

At the end of the day, yeah, it's what matters, but it's not all there is.

Their wins have not been all the facts reflect them to be. That's Liverpool fans for you, though. If Arsenal played shit but won, I'd not be a proud Arsenal supporter.

3rd? What does that have to do with anything here?

They may finish 2nd THIS season with closer points than in 2001.

That's down to them playing 10 defensive players in most cases. 11 Messis would have trouble breaking that down.

Man Utd have done it by having a great back four (Or two and keeper).

Let's look at their major scorelines:

Man Utd; they played shit. Liverpool took advantage.

Newcastle; same, but that's not surprising.

Villa: same.

This isn't bias, this is fact. If they were as good as you're making them seem, they'd not be having draws because they're scared of losing, losing to Tottenham etc.

Italian? You mean when they won it by Gerrard diving for a penalty?

What happened when nobody dived? A.C. Milan beat them.

Inter? They didn't look likely to score until Inter had key defenders sent off BOTH times. Fact. Liverpool ONLY scored after this happened.

English champs? Who? Chelsea? Yeah, the goal that never was. What happened last time? Chelsea knocked them out.

He's missed more than he's scored.

As Andy Gray said after Gerrard repeatedly kept missing; "Don't keep giving him sighters.". As if to say: "Keep letting him shoot and he may score.".

Well...duh? Same with any player that has a decent scoring foot.

West Ham are shit at penalties. They let Anton Ferdinand take one, for crying out loud.

Go on, how is that bias?

-AC [/B]

Originally posted by Nihilist
That's the best you can do?.... a page full of excuses stfugtfo.

The best you can do is stupid, immature internet acronyms?

I think you need to heed those.

Just let the adults talk. If you can't form a counter-argument, don't make an initial one.

-AC

Originally posted by Nihilist

Liverpool have always been spoken about as a good footballing side at home(since the 80's)

Are you for real?

Relating to the team from the 80s, maybe. Not for any of the period since, when they have been, at best, tedious.

On an unrelated note, your apostrophe use is, quite honestly, heroically bad. It's better to leave them out entirely than keep putting them in just because a word ends in 's'.

I see the VVD and AC Tag team are on the "lets attack Liverpool" path again.

Oh you poor Jealous fools🙂

Jealous of what, though?

Either prove what we're allegedly jealous of, or stop saying it.

The difference is, Bic, you are a self-proclaimed "wind-up" merchant. Nihilist genuinely believes what he's saying.

-AC

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I see the VVD and AC Tag team are on the "lets attack Liverpool" path again.

Oh you poor Jealous fools🙂

Hahaha. Good old you, doing that. Bloody character.

Liverpool are boring and shit. There. Now, let's talk about something interesting...

Nice goal by that Macheda, ay?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Either prove what we're allegedly jealous of, or stop saying it.
-AC

Or what, you gonna cry 😈 ?

Lets talk about Arsenals chance of getting to the 1/4 finals of the EUFA (loosers ) cup next season 😆

On a more serious note, did anyone see Grafite´s goal which I posted on the previous page, good eh?

Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
Liverpool are boring and shit. There. Now, let's talk about something interesting...

Nice goal by that Macheda, ay?

For a 17 year old, impressive, most impressive!!!!

AC and DOOM seem bitter and jealous about Liverpool for some reason, lying to try and prove a point on their part is sad.

Originally posted by Nihilist
AC and DOOM seem bitter and jealous about Liverpool for some reason, lying to try and prove a point on their part is sad.

Still waiting on your reply.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Still waiting on your reply.

-AC

How is it possible to post anything you will see from a non Liverpool hatred point of view, considering everything Liverpool have ever achieved is down to luck iyo.