Football (Soccer)

Originally posted by Kovacs86
Are you bitching about an incident in a Liverpool game that happened 4 years ago? 😕 No, you're not at all bitter...

At least take the courtesy to read through the discussion a bit before taking sides with your fellow LFC fan and calling me a ***** while doing so. You're not at all biased...

Originally posted by Slay
I'm not bitching about the incident. I have nothing to be bitter about as I don't even care about English football that much, I was 'bitching' about Nihilist trying to make up rules so that it fits his argument of LFC never getting lucky.

At least take the courtesy to read through the discussion a bit before taking sides with your fellow LFC fan and calling me a ***** while doing so. You're not at all biased...

Originally posted by Nihilist
The video is not the facts you claim, as he won a penalty, i wasnt the facts saying it wasnt a penalty.

Widely agreed by who? again show me the hard evidance that it did not cross the line, you do know that more tah half the ball over the line is a goal.

As for the John Terry quote it was in a recent Chelsea program.His words were "i thought the ball crossed the line, but you still contest the decision".

Ahh, so we've gone from "John Terry admitted the ball DID cross the line.", to "I thought it did, but you can contest it."

If it's contestable, you shouldn't give it. Unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure, so AGAIN Liverpool got lucky with the decision, fact.

As for the penalty, he dived. That's the fact that it wasn't a penalty. The physics shows it. In NO way was there enough, if ANY, contact to suggest he would fall in the manner he did. He dived, and that's the fact of it.

There's no bitterness. Why would I be bitter about a Champions' League win that was achieved by luck and cheating? I'd rather not have won it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
I never said Liverpool never get lucky, AC claims Liverpools success is only down to pure luck and nothing more.

Their success in their last two cup wins, and a lot of their victories, is luck and fortune.

-AC

I think Ill add my poison to this argument.😄

Firstly as SLAY correctly pointed out, the ball has to go COMPLETELY over the line for it to be a Corner, Throw in or GOAL.

As for the Liverpool goal against Chelsea, it impossible to see if it went over the line, as the ball was in the air when it was kicked out of the goal. As in all situations the Referee is always right as his decisions stands, but as you can see from the picture, its VERY doubtful indeed.

As for Gerrard diving against AC Milan, he was held back by Gatusso in the area from behind, slowing his run on goal down, so it can be given as a penalty. Gerrard made a meal out of it and fell for no reason for sure, unless the being held knocked him off balance which I doubt, just seen the replay on Youtube. But the act of holding a player back in the area can be given as a foul, and a foul in the area is a Penalty.

As for Liverpools luck, you make your own luck by applying pressure, by fighting, by not giving up. If you push something will give, even if it is a penalty or a free kick. Mistakes decide games at this level after all.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I think Ill add my poison to this argument.😄

Firstly as SLAY correctly pointed out, the ball has to go COMPLETELY over the line for it to be a Corner, Throw in or GOAL.

As for the Liverpool goal against Chelsea, it impossible to see if it went over the line, as the ball was in the air when it was kicked out of the goal. As in all situations the Referee is always right as his decisions stands, but as you can see from the picture, its VERY doubtful indeed.

The ref isn't always right. The saying is "The ref's decision is final.". If that's the case, the ref should be right as often as possible, and where he's not sure, there should be goalline technology.

The only reason there isn't is because stupid pundits feel it adds controversy. We don't need controversy, teams are losing and winning unfairly as a result of bad decisions. If refs had access to the replays WE get, games would be different.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
As for Gerrard diving against AC Milan, he was held back by Gatusso in the area from behind, slowing his run on goal down, so it can be given as a penalty. Gerrard made a meal out of it and fell for no reason for sure, unless the being held knocked him off balance which I doubt, just seen the replay on Youtube. But the act of holding a player back in the area can be given as a foul, and a foul in the area is a Penalty.

He didn't HOLD him back, he touched his shirt and Gerrard fell like he'd been assassinated. He could have easily continued his run.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
As for Liverpools luck, you make your own luck by applying pressure, by fighting, by not giving up. If you push something will give, even if it is a penalty or a free kick. Mistakes decide games at this level after all.

That's not luck, that's being resiliant. Although, Liverpool do have a tendency to go two goals down. That's not championship material. If they're winning well, it's USUALLY a combo of them having a good game and the other team BEING shit, or having a shit game.

Real, Man Utd, Blackburn. Did you SEE Agger's goal? Pathetic. I've genuinely seen better defending in 5-a-side games.

Getting goals given to you is luck, and if it's not luck, it's not a win through the team's work. So either way you slice it, Liverpool didn't get to that final off their own hard work. They got there by a goal that shouldn't have been given, they won on a lottery. A lottery that was only necessary because Gerrard dived.

So if it's not luck, it's blatant cheating. Either way, it's not fair is it? It's unjust and it's not this mythical Liverpool spirit that everyone claims exists.

-AC

Originally posted by Nihilist
again show me the hard evidance that it did not cross the line, you do know that more tah half the ball over the line is a goal.

Leave the thread, mate. You're embarrassing yourself.

Come on now, don't go picking on Stevie G, he's big and he's fookin' 'ard. Got into that scrap with 5 other lads at that pub after the Newcastle game too xD

You lot are fighting over a game that happened ages ago, it's over now no use in fighting about it.
Liverpool to win the league, Europe, and all!

On another note, anybody saw that goal in the Swedish competition (guess that answers my question)? Ragnar Sigurdsson, a defender who's being linked to a couple of big European clubs scored from about 60m, without even making a run-up. Here's the vid:

YouTube video

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

The ref isn't always right. The saying is "The ref's decision is final.". If that's the case, the ref should be right as often as possible, and where he's not sure, there should be goalline technology.

The only reason there isn't is because stupid pundits feel it adds controversy. We don't need controversy, teams are losing and winning unfairly as a result of bad decisions. If refs had access to the replays WE get, games would be different.-AC [/B]

I agree, so don´t blame the club blame the system.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

He didn't HOLD him back, he touched his shirt and Gerrard fell like he'd been assassinated. He could have easily continued his run.

I just had a closer look and this picture still clearly proves he was triped and held back, definite penalty. The big crime commited in this final was AC Milan thinking it was over and not going for more goals.

As For your other comments, I disagree. You can form a similiar argument against other clubs if you hate them enough.

no doubt a penalty. gerrard burst into the box at high speed and when your running like that (trust me i play football) its very easy to lose balance and get knocked to the ground. at the end of the day, gattuso was stupid enough to make contact. thats the end of the matter

I totally agree, used to play as well now coaching.

But it wont be the end of the matter, AC is a master at bending facts to fit his idea. He should become a politician🙂

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I agree, so don´t blame the club blame the system.

I'm not blaming the club, I'm simply stating that are benefitting from it often.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I just had a closer look and this picture still clearly proves he was triped and held back, definite penalty. The big crime commited in this final was AC Milan thinking it was over and not going for more goals.

As For your other comments, I disagree. You can form a similiar argument against other clubs if you hate them enough.

Nobody is bending facts, first of all. Either it's a face or it's not.

Anyone can find a dodgy screencap if you frame it right. Go find the video.

There are actually YouTube compilations of Gerrard's dives, and his hypocritical comments about being anti-diving. In those videos, the Champions' League final one is always there.

He dived. It was contentious at the time, even the commentators wouldn't admit it was a penalty, just like when Rooney dived against Arsenal. If they're English and loved, nobody says anything.

It's not just Gerrard, but he did dive.

Gattuso had his hand on his, he wasn't PULLING him back. Even so, Gerrard had the strength to stay up but he threw himself forward.

If you make a meal out of it, you don't deserve anything.

He did it recently against Atletico. The man is a known diver.

Go to Google image search, type "Gerrard dive.". What is the first thing that shows? Pics of that incident. Not coincidence.

Oh yes, total foul...

He raises his hand before he's even down because he always intends to call for a pen.

Pathetic.

-AC

gattuso was the closest to gerrard though. he hardly protests at the penalty. that says alot.

im not saying gerrard doesnt dive. but the milan incident is a penalty in my opinion

Some players don't protest because they feel it's so obviously NOT a penalty that they don't need to.

Referees are actually that thick, though.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not blaming the club, I'm simply stating that are benefitting from it often.

Nobody is bending facts, first of all. Either it's a face or it's not.

Anyone can find a dodgy screencap if you frame it right. Go find the video.

There are actually YouTube compilations of Gerrard's dives, and his hypocritical comments about being anti-diving. In those videos, the Champions' League final one is always there.

He dived. It was contentious at the time, even the commentators wouldn't admit it was a penalty, just like when Rooney dived against Arsenal. If they're English and loved, nobody says anything.

It's not just Gerrard, but he did dive.

Gattuso had his hand on his, he wasn't PULLING him back. Even so, Gerrard had the strength to stay up but he threw himself forward.

If you make a meal out of it, you don't deserve anything.

He did it recently against Atletico. The man is a known diver.

Go to Google image search, type "Gerrard dive.". What is the first thing that shows? Pics of that incident. Not coincidence.

Oh yes, total foul...

Pathetic.

-AC

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Wonderful, he dove once or twice and then that makes him the next Christiano Ronaldo. Look it mate, you need to look at all players then - they all dive, every single one of them. Gerrard doesn't do it as often as others, (ronaldo, half the damned italian team, all of portugal), I'm glad to see that google images has produced ONE specific incident of Stevie G diving.
Ronaldo dives around 9-10 times a game,
Steven dives once every five or so matches.

Y'know whats pathetic,
you.

Originally posted by ChakraStrings
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Wonderful, he dove once or twice and then that makes him the next Christiano Ronaldo. Look it mate, you need to look at all players then - they all dive, every single one of them. Gerrard doesn't do it as often as others, (ronaldo, half the damned italian team, all of portugal), I'm glad to see that google images has produced ONE specific incident of Stevie G diving.
Ronaldo dives around 9-10 times a game,
Steven dives once every five or so matches.

Y'know whats pathetic,
you.

Divers are divers. Doesn't matter who they play for, they need to stop it.

It's cheating and it's a pathetic thing to do. Less pathetic than a Liverpool fanatic proving why Liverpool fanatics are hated, by making excuses for Gerrard diving, but still pathetic.

Gerrard is worse because he has spoken out against it, yet, it's because of it that they got to penalties.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Divers are divers. Doesn't matter who they play for, they need to stop it.

It's cheating and it's a pathetic thing to do. Less pathetic than a Liverpool fanatic proving why Liverpool fanatics are hated, by making excuses for Gerrard diving, but still pathetic.

Gerrard is worse because he has spoken out against it, yet, it's because of it that they got to penalties.

-AC

And I agree with you there, Diving is something that shouldn't be tolerated and its a shame to see that some referees let it slip. However, the incident you were referring to really should of been a penalty, shame he had to fall and look stupid to do it, but it should of been. Deano made a fair point which you should look at.

Originally posted by ChakraStrings
And I agree with you there, Diving is something that shouldn't be tolerated and its a shame to see that some referees let it slip. However, the incident you were referring to really should of been a penalty, shame he had to fall and look stupid to do it, but it should of been. Deano made a fair point which you should look at.

its a contact sport. jesus christ, so what if gattuso pulled on his hand a little? if you pull on someones hand and they fall flailing to the ground like they've just been shot its pretty obvious to anyone with an objective mind what it is. theres no 'if you look at the rulebook it says if you pull back blah blah blah'. did he pull back with enough force to send gerrard to the ground the way he did?

i cant believe you guys are actually arguing about this, just admit it was a dive and move on. its so painfully obvious, please do us all a favour.

Originally posted by Phat J
its a contact sport. jesus christ, so what if gattuso pulled on his hand a little? if you pull on someones hand and they fall flailing to the ground like they've just been shot its pretty obvious to anyone with an objective mind what it is. theres no 'if you look at the rulebook it says if you pull back blah blah blah'. did he pull back with enough force to send gerrard to the ground the way he did?

i cant believe you guys are actually arguing about this, just admit it was a dive and move on. its so painfully obvious, please do us all a favour.

it was more than just a little pull on the hand though wasnt it

oh and it looks like wolves are promoted.ooohhh yeaaaaaah