Mace Windu is the hardest jedi!

he totally whipped palpatines ass, I mean it wasn't even close, he had palpatine scurrying backwards on all fours like some histerical idiot, he only got killed because he wasnt expecting that from anakin, but damn he had skills with the saber, I wonder if he would have beaten Anakin if he was prepared...

Palpatine was faking losing because he knew that Anakin was coming. Mace didn't win completely.

Palpy was only acting like that to get Anakin on his side. He could "foresee" Anakin coming to his "rescue".

Nonsense. That whole idea is silly. Palpatine could have been killed VERY easily. To say he faked trhat loosing fighti- when Anakin wasn't evemn there- is a. totally impractical and b. just silly.

Mace won, fair and square.

I personally think Sidious "framed" Windu in order to turn Anakin.

We'll never know if Windu ever stood a chance, because Palpatine, to me anyway, looked like he was in control the entire time.

We can speculate all we like.

By all means, I wouldn't throw out the idea that he was beaten legit by Mace, because he could have been, but my inner skeptic tells me the only one who ever stood a remote chance of beating him was Yoda.

I stand firm that Yoda was about to defeat Palpatine until he lost his balance. I'm also not sure that Palpatine wasn't faking it and taking it easy on Mace, given that he is curled up like a little baby whining and crying one second, saying he is out of power and he is spent, but the next second he rips Windu with the lightning. I think he very well could have been faking it, having forseen Anakin would come back, and knowing he would attack Mace and turn.

Hey, was Palp talking to Anakin throught he force or does Anankin just imagine what he says while he waits in the temple?

Little off-topic but kinda goes with Ken's post.

He was weak because Windu was reflecting the Lightning into him- and clearly this was causing genuine harm, hence the scarring.

That had stopped by the time he struck back, which was only possible after Anakin cut Mace's arm off.

Mace was too good in a one-on-one situation for Palpatine. He won.

Mace is a pussy!

Palpatine faked it. It's so obvious!

Originally posted by Red Superfly
I personally think Sidious "framed" Windu in order to turn Anakin.

We'll never know if Windu ever stood a chance, because Palpatine, to me anyway, looked like he was in control the entire time.

We can speculate all we like.

By all means, I wouldn't throw out the idea that he was beaten legit by Mace, because he could have been, but my inner skeptic tells me the only one who ever stood a remote chance of beating him was Yoda.

In control? Mace disarmed him! He could have died, easily. If it was a Palpy plan, it was only sheer dumb luck that got it through.

So nonsense, it wasn't planned. He didn't want to lose that fight- he might have died! Then how stupid would he look?

If you were a boxer, and your opponent was wailing on you to the point where you couldn't even stand up, and then he stopped for an instant, would you suddenly have enough energy to stand up and go at him with the full force of your ability?

I wondered that myself, but i think its to show Anakins thoughts at that time.

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
If you were a boxer, and your opponent was wailing on you to the point where you couldn't even stand up, and then he stopped for an instant, would you suddenly have enough energy to stand up and go at him with the full force of your ability?

False analogy. He was only weak whilst being lightninged. We have seen Anakin recover quickly from that; why not Palpatine?

He hardly went on any massive acrobatic manoeuvres, anyway. He zapped an already crippled person. Wow.

Sorry, bit the scene shows NO logical sense behind the 'faked it' idea. As soon as Anakin was not there to see the fight that went out the window, rather like Mace.

ya see, there's this thing called The Force...

So what? Makes not a damn bit of difference. Palpatine lost a fair fight and then improvised-- as he has had to do in every film- to get Anakin to help him.

Which, of course, mirrors Luke's equally genuine distress in ROTJ.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Nonsense. That whole idea is silly. Palpatine could have been killed VERY easily. To say he faked trhat loosing fighti- when Anakin wasn't evemn there- is a. totally impractical and b. just silly.

Mace won, fair and square.

😆 Yeah, that's why he easily sprang up yelling "ultimate power" and through more electricity into Mace than we've ever seen before. Yeah, he was really beaten... 🙄 Ian was even overacting like "oh no, please" over doing it so it would be clear what was going on.

No way! Mace isn't the toughest Jedi. The only reason he got advantage over Palpatine is becuase prior to facing Mace he'd already kill 3 Jedi's. Thus Palpatine became exhausted.

Palpatine needed to get into trouble so Anakin would sense it and go to his rescue...

that's how I see it anyway... it works for me.

Mace is a pussy.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
In control? Mace disarmed him! He could have died, easily. If it was a Palpy plan, it was only sheer dumb luck that got it through.

So nonsense, it wasn't planned. He didn't want to lose that fight- he might have died! Then how stupid would he look?

Dumb luck? This is Lucas we are talking about here.

Anakin's dumb luck in Episode I where he instinctively pressed the right buttons to fly a ship into the Trade Feds control thingy, and blow it up is Lucas way of telling us that it was the force.

Palpatine had the instinct that Anakin would return, his instincts served him well obviously. Someone as wise as Palpatine would be smart enough to foresee Anakins decision and his impecable timing. Luck had nothing to do with it.

That is one explanation. Dumb luck is never dumb luck in the Star Wars galaxy.

The jury is out on this one. I perosnally think Sidious led Mace into thinking he could be beat, and tempted him into finishing him off, in order to force Anakin into his ultimate decision. I really believe Sidious had Mace eating out of the palm of his hand on this one.

I won't throw out the fact that Anakin merely saved Palps from Mace's wrath, either, I am as of yet undecided completely, but from here, I believe Sidious set Mace's ass up.

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
😆 Yeah, that's why he easily sprang up yelling "ultimate power" and through more electricity into Mace than we've ever seen before. Yeah, he was really beaten... 🙄 Ian was even overacting like "oh no, please" over doing it so it would be clear what was going on.

yes, he was hamming it up to make sure he snared Anakin.

But he was giving out no more lighting than before. It worked simply because Windu had lost his sabre.

Sorry, but there is no way in any rationality that he faked losing that fight. The whole concept is ridiculous.

People are making it seem like that he became some sort of God after Anakin cut Mace's arm off. No... he stood up and gave another blast- and he was not moving with any vigour either.

This has become a self-feeding fantasy that people are buying into that has nothing to do with reason or logic.

Mace won the fight- pure and simple.