Mace Windu is the hardest jedi!

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Which returns to the entire matter of if Mace had just showed comradery for ONCE in his life to Anakin, given that they are BROTHERS in a very real sense, Anakin would have felt important, felt cared about, felt like he was being treated like an adult instead of a five year old, and helped Windu annihalate Sidious and ended 20 years of oppression before it began. As bad as the council in general treated Anakin (not all of it unjustified but by no means justified either), Mace was by far the worst. That's reason enough he's not the best Jedi.... the hardest/toughest is another question I realize....

very good point.

Sorry, I dont buy it.

Yes, Palps swayed Anakin into the position he was in and framed Mace into being the bad guy, but didn't really know whether he would show up.

Even so, I doubt that Palps would want to do that much harm to himself, just to try to sway Anakin. The risk was too high, and it was pure luck that Anakin showed up when he did, when Palps was in defeat.

Palps could've easily killed Mace, like he did with the other jedi and told Anakin if and when he showed up, that the Jedi were trying to take over and tried to kill him, even though he tried to plead with them for mercy and understanding.

Palps only weakened up when he saw Anakin coming to his side. But all before that:

FACE IT, MACE WHOOPED HIS ASS, even though the battle wasn't as spectacular as is was pitched to be. I thought for Palps first ever seen battle, especially with the number 2 jedi, that it would've been a little more heavy and ferocious, as it seemed to look like in the trailer.

I'll just disagree completely, everyone is entitled to their opinion of this one.

well I guess Lucas or someone else who said this was right.

"This movie will provide more questions and debate than answers."

Yeah, you can argue logically about both sides of this arguement and still end up at square one. It's merely down to a case of believing one theory or another.

Unless of course Lucas explains it officially.

well please answer me this, does palps lightsaber fall out the window?

if it dosnt and anakin didnt show up he would have just used the force to grab it and continue the fight, but when he saw anakin come he dicided otherwiese...

this all depends on whether or not his saber falls out the window or not...

he does obviously have another with yoda...i dont remember tho..

Yes, it goes out the window.

so is mace a better fighter than yoda since he did come so close to winning?

lol if you read a few thread around here, you'll see that I am ADAMENT that Yoda had Sidious beat at the end, when he finally throws all of Sidious' energy back at him, but the kickback makes Yoda fall down, and he bangs around and gets hurt so he has to run away. If you watch the movie it REALLY looks like Palpatine takes a huge blow at that point, and if Yoda hadn't fallen, he could have done any number of things to the poor ol' senator.... 😈

and also in AOTC Obi-wan tells Anakin that if he practices he will be able to rival even Master Yoda, not even Master Windu

Originally posted by Red Superfly
What a dissapointment Kit Fisto turned out to be. Loser. lol.

If i remember correctly he is the last to fall so what does that make Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin? Does anyone remember how the first 2 masters die? i recall Fisto getting sliced across the chest.

That's not important, because we all know that Yoda is number 1 Jedi and Obi was trying to make Anikian feel like he was powerful.

EDIT: I have it in this order: Sidious kills Kit Fisto, Sarese Tiin and Agen Kolar with ease...

Mace won the fight legit. However, Palpy, was probably faking it when Anikian was just about to open the door or when he saw Anikian, to lower Windu's guard. But there's no doubt that had Anikian not come in just at that moment, IV, V, VI would of never happened.

Now i only read page One so far but i have to say that i think Sid was beaten but i think he took solice in knowing Ani was comeing after all he knew that Vader would be in trouble on the molten planet i mean he was getting his ship prepped before the fight ended. so thats my take

Believe me, I would LOVE to think that Mace totally owned Palpatine and it would make me incredibly (and pathetically lol) happy, but for the reasons previously delineated by myself and others (especially mephistodesings) in this thread I just can't.

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
lol if you read a few thread around here, you'll see that I am ADAMENT that Yoda had Sidious beat at the end, when he finally throws all of Sidious' energy back at him, but the kickback makes Yoda fall down, and he bangs around and gets hurt so he has to run away. If you watch the movie it REALLY looks like Palpatine takes a huge blow at that point, and if Yoda hadn't fallen, he could have done any number of things to the poor ol' senator.... 😈

Yoda took Palpatines best and repelled it right back.

Sidious even tried to flee right at the start of the fight.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Palpatine needed to get into trouble so Anakin would sense it and go to his rescue...

that's how I see it anyway... it works for me.

Mace is a pussy.

I dont care what you people say about Papls playing with Mace. No one simply 'plays' around with Mace Windu.

If you want to get technical, go back and watch the movie again and you people will see that in one of the scenes Palps look scared. Mace was cutting loose on Palps and if it wasnt for Anakin, we would have another dead Sith Lord.

If Mace is so great, why didn't he use his Jedi reflexes to block Anikan's saber? Or sense Anakin's decision to help Sidious? Or use his remaining hand to absorb the lightning a la Yoda?

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
If Mace is so great, why didn't he use his Jedi reflexes to block Anikan's saber? Or sense Anakin's decision to help Sidious? Or use his remaining hand to absorb the lightning a la Yoda?

The only mistake Mace Windu made in that fight was not realizing what was or 'happened' to Anakin. Mace was only concentrating on killing Sidious. Sidious got beat and he isnt not the God everyone here thinks he is ...

Oh yea ... If he is so powerful why did he basically try and run from Yoda? What type of a Sith Lord runs from a Jedi?

I really dont know what so say on Paply playing with Mace. I dont think he was. I just dont see why he would use force lighting at such a close range and expect Mace to block it from the short distance.

On another point I am shocked and happy that Yoda indeed did overpower Sidious.

I knew Lucas wouldnt punk Yoda.

its all an act to get mace's ego a boost...who can honestly say they can strike fear into the face of a sith lord...its how the sith fight..manipulation...dooku did it by taunting obi wan in episode 2 to catch him off guard...and palpatine does it too mace to make him feel like hes gaining the advantage...at any point in time he could have killed mace...he lost his saber right when anakin was walking into the room a little ironic dont you think...what wasn't planned was the lightning reflection back at him...but im sure he could have killed mace if he wanted too...that was a vital point in the turning of anakin it left him with a split second choice...go on the side of the dude wiht eternal life...or go with the guy who's basicly told you to stfu ever since the start of the movie...hmmmm...sidious is the strongest no doubt...for example he throws senate pods with little ease while yoda was a hard time controlling one...