Palpatine and Mace Windu Debate [Merged]

huh?...now i must consult the chosen drink...AGAIN....lol.....hey I need sober folks to back me Mace and Yoda here! Wheres Ush and his ghastly saber...he will go just on the movie...(I hope)...(he scares me with his shield and saber)....LOL....really he always direct and to the point....Ush what is your take on what was shown to us on this subject in episode III?.....(had to edit shadowking got in ther before I finshed typing) ummm From what I saw in the movie no no no Sidious plainly got whooped by mace...Yoda force beat him yes fell and couldnt hang on but already proved Sidious force power no match for his pwn....and Sidious laughing while dangling that was the most comical part of the whole movie....Maybe he is more powerful just been consulting with the chosen drink!!!....lol.....If I was about to fall to my death I would have to be drunk to laugh like that....lol...that was good

Superior is a point of view.

I agree with you completely on Yoda but I also strongly believe that Sidious was faking it with Mace to draw in Anakin. Look in the Mace is the hardest Jedi thread if you want the reasons.... myself and Mephistodesigns said pretty much my belief very clearly and well.

I really looked for Sidious toying with Mace....any sign of it before Anakins arrival.....didnt see it.....am I missing something?...i didnt go to the bathroom during that fight.....mace plainly whooped him.....the novel (Stover)gave Sidious more credit than Lucas did...but even the novel didnt show that sidious was toying...just made you wonder....movie clarified things as far as Im concerned

actually I was looking for someone who had something to say about the novel... what did it say Sidious was thinking

Is it illegal to give a portion of a novel to someone?...I bought the audio novel but i really dont want Lucas imprisoning me for sharing SW stuff when i have been a loyal paying fan since conception of SW....I would send it to you that portion but damn just get it from someone who doesnt fear being a prison biotch....I dont remember exact thoughts.....but it does make things a bit more curious....movie makes it look str8 forward that Sidious was pwned.......but novel leaves open for discussion.....to busy thread searching to go thru and find that spot right now...if you cant find it soon pm me and Ill look later...hopefully I cant get in trouble for sharing my thought s on the book...thought crime....7-10 years...LOL

nah I'm not looking for someone to give me quotes, though that'd be cool. I'm just curious as to the general idea you get from it is all.

Originally posted by Darth Plagueis
You know I sort of agree, but the bottom line is that in the film, Sids defeated both of them. Period.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Sidious did not beat Yoda or Mace Windu. If you watched the film Sidious tried to run from Yoda and Yoda stopped him. Sidious is a pussy ... In and out, a pussy ! 😄

Seriously Sidious was pwned till Annie showed....even novel didnt say anything direct that Sidious knew Annie would show up to save day...he was just pwned...though it gave sidious more force power credit made it seem like force lightning almost overcame Maces saber....uh oh Im goin to prison now!...lol...talked to much im sharin...agghhh run...no really Lucas isnt that bad.....he doesnt like our system either....why u think he compares our past and current national leaders with Sidious....,he knows ...he cuts a little slack offtopic

On top of ALL of this, let's not forget how EASILY a dying, already only half as powerful Anakin kills Palpatine in ROTJ. If Sidious was so powerful, he should have had absolutely no problem dispactching Vader when he tried that.

This gets a little contrived but basically, Luke, who's really not that strong in ROTJ, defeats Vader, and Vader defeats Palpatine. Could Mace or Yoda take Luke? I don't think I need to tell you the answer to that....

Originally posted by SithKiller
Seriously Sidious was pwned till Annie showed....even novel didnt say anything direct that Sidious knew Annie would show up to save day...he was just pwned...though it gave sidious more force power credit made it seem like force lightning almost overcame Maces saber....uh oh Im goin to prison now!...lol...talked to much im sharin...agghhh run...no really Lucas isnt that bad.....he doesnt like our system either....why u think he compares our past and current national leaders with Sidious....,he knows ...he cuts a little slack offtopic

for the last time Lucas wrote this stuff in 1997!

Of course Sidious would have to survive ... It is a trilogy and all .. Wouldnt be much of one if one of the movies wasnt congrent(not spelled correctly) with the other parts. So with that in mind, Sidious surviving Mace and Yoda isnt the question ... The question is who is superior. If we are talking about the force then I would say Yoda is largly superior to Sidious. As far as lightsabre combat, Mace and Yoda are very superior to Sidious.

Please everyone cast a vote!...I really dont care if you agree with me or not...just vote! like 200 views and just a few votes....VOTE!w00t

Disappointed KMC this thread shows up inaccurate times of posts etc..when not registered...????wtf...tried googling and viewing as guest....Ush Lance wus up? Kick it in to gear!...lol....nite all ...you registered folk

Mace beat him by himself. Yoda fought him to a draw, but then quit. Palpy doesnt seem that powerful

I fought these two guys. I didn't represent real well, but sort of held my own. When the fight was over, one guy was dead or ran away, the other was living in a frikkin swamp. Me? EMPEROR OF THE ENTIRE DAMN GALAXY. You decide who won.

I still stick by my assessment that Palp faked losing the fight with Mace. Ian acted it too over the top. It was pretty obvious to me.

I think that Yoda and Palp are close in power, but that Palp still trumps. If Yoda was stronger than him, why not kill him and save the galaxy?

Before i Saw the movie i read the script and it made it sound like sidous owned mace or was holding back but after seeing it i know different.
Mace windu clearly beat sidous He didnt plan on having a Jedi master stand over him with a light saber defenseless. His greatest power is his ability to manipulate ppl he didnt plan to loose to mace but when anaki ncame in he played anakin in order to get him to save his cowardly ass. In the same way he didnt plan on Padme to escape Naboo in Ep1 but used her to become chancelor.
Man I was expecting sidous to be this unstopable jed killing terror instead he gets kicked in th face and then starts crawling on the ground like the coward he is. He and yoda are alot alike in the sense that neither of them have that Raw physical power they use agility , and experiance to defeat thier enemys with thier strategy not raw power.

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
Given a person who would win 99 out of 100 fights with another, it would not be correct to say that that person is more powerful than the other simply because the one time they fought it happened to be that one time.

I'm not making a direct comparison, simply a conceptual illustration.

This is a very important point indeed. Sabre duels are like tennis matches- best man has a better chance, but not a certain win.

"I think that Yoda and Palp are close in power, but that Palp still trumps. If Yoda was stronger than him, why not kill him and save the galaxy?"

Try not to confuse force power and sheer duelling ability. Being powerful with the Force helps, but do you seriously think Maul was a better force user than Qui-Gon?

I think in this area, even though Mace is not quite the force user Yoda is, I think the film has clearly shown he was King Lightsabre.

do you seriously think Maul was a better force user than Qui-Gon