Palpatine and Mace Windu Debate [Merged]

Heck no! Maul was a pure thug. All he could do was fight. Qui-Gon was a fully ranked, new-mystery-of-the-force discovering Jedi Master!

Not even close!

For that matter, Anakin isn't as powerful as Dooku yet, yet killed him.

Anakin has more pure power, and by using the dark side he did get to be stronger. The Dark Side gives you quicker access to all of your power.

No- Anakin has POTENTIAL. But he doesn't have the power yet- I don't see him doing half the force tricks Dooku was doing.

But what he is, is an exceptionally good swordsman. The two do not necessarily equate.

Likewise, Mace can outfight Sidious.

Sorry, but if your view depends on Maul being close in force power to Qui-Gon, I think it is lacking in rationality.

after watching the movie..i believe yoda and palpatine are too close to eachother to say who is the best, but mace is clearly the best duelist depicted in the movies.

Sidious was holding back with mace. He knew anakin was on his way.

And i guess we were watching a different movie, because i saw Yoda getting his arse handed to him.

I still believe that Palpatine was faking it when it comes to Mace, but I know that arguement isn't going anywhere.

As far as Yoda is concerend, I'll say it again.... at the very end of the duel he took Sidious' best and threw it back in his face. If it weren't for the kickback, he would have leaped on the ol' chap and impaled him.

Guess you weren't watching very closely then! Seemed clearly evens to me, their fight.

yoda had his extremely funny moment with the imperial guards 😛....that was a laugh

I refer only to the very end of it. Sort of in the same spirit as Superman who can struggle to stop an airplane from falling and almost crash into the ground, but once he's got it stopped, it's nothing for him to carry it around all day, just needs to get over the hump.

(of course in Superman's case I'm sure momentum and physics has something to do with it but the point stands lol)

yep..he did seem the have the edge in that scene...but i don't thin it's HIGHLY relevant...they are very close

I was actually replying to jack.

point is....Sidious won the battle.

I thought so I was originally quoting you but when I realized it may be a reply to the other one I droppd the quote but I thought it was worth saying anyways.

Originally posted by jackstain
point is....Sidious won the battle.

Yeah. hardly a no-contest no-hope victory though, was it? Looked like it could have gone either way to me.

Originally posted by jackstain
point is....Sidious won the battle.

He tried to run away at the beginning.... in my book he officially lost right there. Just because circumstances led him to follow through with the rest of the fight doesn't matter.

Think of it as a boxing match where no knockout takes place. The winner is decided by scoring.... Throughout the battle, the two are even (and I'm not even counting that Yoda totally smashed him at the very end), but Yoda gets some major points for not letting the guy leave and Sidious looses some major points for trying to run away.... what is he the Joker?

Think of it this way.

He won.

he's the biggest coward in the galaxy, and he didn't win. And even if he did win the battle, he lost the war in a total embarrasment of a debacle that will go down in galactic history as the biggest failure and most embarrassing defeat ever!

Oh, but Sidious won in ROTS!

You see, being a good Sith or Jedi is more than being good with lightsaber!

Did we see Yoda`s greatness in PT?!

wow.....lazerlike ur in denial....

yoda lost.

no matter how u look at it. he even says, and i quote, "failed, i have."

he admits defeat, now u shuld too.

Yes, ROTS is a great victory for the Sith!