Palpatine and Mace Windu Debate [Merged]

Wrong.

That statement is referring to his failure in all the events leading up to this. It refers to his failure to see the straying of the Jedi that ultimately led to Palpatine's success and Anakin's fall. Yoda failed because he never saw coming everything he should have, and because he didn't do his part to keep the Jedi order on track with the ideals on which it was founded. He wasn't saying "I failed at this battle," he was saying "I failed in general."

As far as the battle is concerened, Yoda does not lose. He runs away to regroup. There's a huge difference. Many, many people have done this in fiction and in fact throughout history. Regrouping constitutes a strategy, not a defeat.

its ok, we know ur in denial.

he lost, just accept it. lol. 💃

last time I checked your side only had 40% of the vote!

really, cuz last time i checked(which was me watching the actually footage on ROTS) yoda loses.

well you can hardly say I am lost when the majority of people disagree with you

I have watched the fight scenes 5 times to anylyse what happned & what i said ealier seems true if u pay attention. GL throw soo many details into the movie he doest put details in thier just for the hell of it. The duel between Yoda & Sidous is nothing more than a draw. Sidous did not defeat Yoda in the sense that he was standing over him confidently as if Yoda was whooped. Sidous fired lighting directly at Yoda Saber thinking that w/o a saber he would be defensless against his lightning only to find out Yodas knowladge of the force was evenly matched to his own and he could defend just fine with his bare hands. Watch the movie again and look at Sidous expression as Yoda reflects the power back at him he is tooken by suprise. Yoda fell down only from the force of reflecting the lightning.And when he hits the ground his saber is in the fore ground looking burnt.That is a detail put there for a reason.He had no light saber to continue battling with. Watch the film more and u will pick up these little details.

he failed to finish of the Palpy, the match ended with Yda force lightning the shit out of Palpy, only diffrence was Palpy had something to hang onto Yoda didnt. Yoda understood that clonetroppers was on the way and he couldnt beat them all so his best chance was to flee

yoda and palpy are equal I think therefore palpy must have facked being beaten by Mace since its always been my understanding that yoda was the greatest jedi at that time.

There is no doubt that Palpetine is the strongest. The Dark side is truly more powerful!

accordin to me there is no contest Yoda and mace are clearly more powerful so where the sortin out required palp loses simple as tht

Both of Yoda and Mace are more powerful...

Mace would have finished him off if it wasn't for Anakin coming in, there is nothing to show he wasn't dead serious in that fight and that he wanted to win. He begged for his life, he used every trick he had and in the end that was Mace his failure. Sidious may have given the final touch but a child could have done that. A simple force push would have been enough to finish off a weak and surprised Mace.

Yoda owned Sidious too, he just lost his lightsaber. Its kinda hard to fight a Sith Lord in a match of force only, Yoda realised then that he could not win, his lightsaber was gone... Destroyed ruined, he had to run knowing full well that more people would come soon and he would not be able to kill all of them without a lightsaber.

Sidious won neither of them because of his skill he won one because of Anakin and another one because Yoda's destroyed lightsaber. Would they have fought in a different area, would Anakin not have been there then Sidious would have gotten owned by the Jedi Masters twice.

He may have won, but he couldn't match either of them. Sidious is far weaker then everybody seems to think

Originally posted by Fishy
Both of Yoda and Mace are more powerful...

Mace would have finished him off if it wasn't for Anakin coming in, there is nothing to show he wasn't dead serious in that fight and that he wanted to win. He begged for his life, he used every trick he had and in the end that was Mace his failure. Sidious may have given the final touch but a child could have done that. A simple force push would have been enough to finish off a weak and surprised Mace.

Yoda owned Sidious too, he just lost his lightsaber. Its kinda hard to fight a Sith Lord in a match of force only, Yoda realised then that he could not win, his lightsaber was gone... Destroyed ruined, he had to run knowing full well that more people would come soon and he would not be able to kill all of them without a lightsaber.

Sidious won neither of them because of his skill he won one because of Anakin and another one because Yoda's destroyed lightsaber. Would they have fought in a different area, would Anakin not have been there then Sidious would have gotten owned by the Jedi Masters twice.

He may have won, but he couldn't match either of them. Sidious is far weaker then everybody seems to think

Originally posted by snehin
my point there is no match between Yoda and mace vs sidius Yoda would hav won no matter wat and mace would hav killed him if anakin din't get involved and cut off his arm

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exactly so Yoda and mace wins easy

So you agreed with me? Okay...

okay

Still kinda close on the votes....but Yoda and mace still in the lead woohoo!!!!

I think Mace lost to Sidious however Yoda didn't lose to Sidious. Sidious tried to run away at the beginning and Sidious had to call his clones to search for Yoda he was to scared to search himself. As far as the fight goes it was a draw. But Yoda took Sidious's best and shoved it in his face if the fight had been able to resume I'm not so sure Sidious would have won.

The important concept you all have to realize was that Mace struggled to repel Palpatine's force lightning. If you are arguing that Sidious wasn't actually faking becoming "disfigured" as he was supposedly weakened, then you have missed probably the key aspect about the film's plot.

Sidious was faking it, Mace was not. Meaning, whether he lost the fight on the lightsaber end or not (I considered that an even match), Sidious could have laid on the force lightning untill the cows came home. Mace would have given in eventually. Anakin to the rescue or not.

How could you consider the lightsaber battle even? Mace disarmed him...lol.....