Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
holy sh1t u re dumbi said that he learned extraordinary powers lik BM i didnt say that he wuld win bu using BM
yes ancient Jedi library with the hell of a lot books how the fuc* u know revan had more books thanh im?
YOU RETARD! REVAN WAS AROUND AND LEARNED IT BEFORE IT WAS DESTROYED BY MALAK!!!
Luke learned about the Jedi. Cool. What did Revan do? He learned about the greatest duelist of all time, Tulak Hord. He learned about the Jedi AND the Sith. Luek noly learned about the Jedi. So woh has more knowledge? Revan does.
holy sh1t u re dumbi said that he learned extraordinary powers lik BM i didnt say that he wuld win bu using BM
yes ancient Jedi library with the hell of a lot books how the fuc* u know revan had more books thanh im?
Ohh lets see...
Revan his time knowledge was sought after many Jedi to protect it, kept it alive, ancient holocrons and tombs were found in Sith Tombs.
Luke his time, Jedi had been destroyed, most of its knowledge with it, ancient library's are nice but that was probably basic knowledge in Revan his time, because well for a trully great library to survive would be impossible.
Knowledge gets destroyed in time, technology lost. Revan naturally had more to learn from then Luke did. And not to mention that Revan was known for his quest for knowledge, and he found it at the darkest places in the galaxy. Malachor, Korriban, Rakatan planet and the Star Forge... Just to name a few.
Also wars destroy knowledge things get lost. During Luke his time two great wars had just been fought, and a lot more before that ever happened. A lot of knowledge had to have been lost in that.
Oh and pleas refrain from calling me stupid when you can't even come up with an argument that makes sense okay? Thanks
OK....I will give you some good (?) reasons why Luke and Anakin would beat the Sith.
ROTS Anakin has a lack of control. No doubt about this. But he is quite powerful as long as there is somebody to keep him calm or lets say "keep him under control". When he has enough motivation he can win against anybody. You can see him beat Dooku in what time ? 30 seconds ? A minute ?
Dooku received what time of training ? 60 years ? 70 years ? And Dooku was the best lightsaber duelist of his time (ok...except Yoda maybe). And yes...we saw Anakin lose against Obi-Wan just because of stupidity...but he also had a lack of motivation and was totaly out of control. You should keep that in mind.
The Exile is no match for Anakin if Luke is able to keep Anakin under control and of course Anakin has the motivation to protect his son...can there be any better ? He will cut Exile into pieces in no time.
And sorry I have to say this (as I don't like the idea)...NJO Luke is above everyone in history of the force. From ROTJ on he probably got some lessons by Obi-Wan, Yoda and Qui-Gon who all remainend individuals within the force. We can not tell that. He had several Holocrons to study (Sith and Jedi holocrons) and so he could have received lessons by ancient Jedi Masters and as well knowledge about the Dark Side by ancient Sith Lords. He might have learned some new tricks from the returned Emperor (at least...he defeaded him).
So I would say there are very few things about the force that NJO Luke does not know. And this would be both sides of the force. Confrontation with an ancient Sith Lord - even Revan - will be no problem for him. This would be a tough fight...some I would like to see realy but at least Luke will be the winner.
So I'd say the Skywalkers will win this one.
Well nice of you to bring a real argument here... However
Dooku was preforming better against Obi and Anakin together then he was against Anakin alone. He changed his style his way of fightning and no longer used the force thats why he lost, and you can not compare Dooku to the Exile. Anakin can not kill everybody if he's calm enough and he was motivated enough against Obi Wan, he never threw more of himself into a fight then into that fight.
Of course he wasn't calm thats because he was going over the Dark Side in a foolish way. Light or Dark wouldn't matter Anakin doesn't have the experience or the power to kill the Exile..
He will lose.
NJO Luke is not as powerful as people make him out to be he's good maybe better then Revan I have my doubts but he won't beat him easily and definitly not fast. NJO Luke and Revan will fight for a damned long time until the Exile joins in. Anakin can not and will not win from somebody with more training more power who takes him serious and throws himself into every fight he goes into.
Ok. I see the whole situation is a bit tricky.
I agree with you about Dooku. Dooku didn't want to kill Anakin because this whole situation on the beginning of RotS was a trap to kill Obi-Wan and convince Anakin to join the Dark Side. I didn't keep that in mind when posting.
But in my oppinion Exile vs Anakin won't be a very short fight. This could take some time and then the question is if NJO Luke is faster killing Revan or Exile is faster killing Anakin. I personally can not answer the question because Anakin is quite an unpredictable thing when it comes to fighting. Without stupid mistakes he might even manage to win against Exile at least he can keep him busy until Luke is finished with Revan.
So I would estimate both fights will end at the same time and Revan + Anakin get killed. That would leave NJO Luke vs Exile. And again the Skywalker family wins.
The only situation when the Skywalkers will lose here is when Exile and Revan get the chance to team up vs Luke. And I simply can not imagine this would happen not because being a Anakin/Luke fanboy just because I can not tell how long both duel will last and I'm not sure that Exile will manage to kill Anakin.
I personally think that the Exile who has done far more impressive things then Anakin can kill Anakin before Luke can kill Revan, if he can even do that.
With Anakin you always have to keep in account that he never reached his potential, he could have done a lot of great shit but he never did. He failed misserably in it. Now he has seen combat he has seen wars he does know how to fight and he does have a control of the force. Can he compare to the Exile however? Who killed three Sith Lords well only two that count and walked away? Does he have the control of the force, the experience the knowledge to do that? I don't think so.
I honestly do not think Anakin could have ever done what the Exile did, he was to weak for that at that time and he would have lost the battles the Exile faced.
With Revan Luke its a lot harder to tell, you don't know who is going to wiin or how fast but with the Exile and Anakin it is imo pretty clear that the Exile will win and will be able to do so in a reasonable amount of time before Luke can kill Revan or vice versa. Meaning IMO that the Exile and Revan will team up on Luke and slaughter him.
Originally posted by Fishy
I personally think that the Exile who has done far more impressive things then Anakin can kill Anakin before Luke can kill Revan, if he can even do that.
After spending some time with reading and gaming I have to ask the question where did the Exile do fare more impressive things than Anakin ?
Dark Exile killed 5 Jedi Masters and 3 Sith (and he did not do that alone).
The Jedi Masters were hiding and suffering from the effects of Darth Trayas attack. Traya herself was not "true" Sith since she did not believe that the DS is superior to the LS so her sith powers and lessons were "weakened" because she combined it with aspects from the LS. And keeping in mind she is far away from being a "Sith Lord" like Revan, Exar Kun or Tulak Horde, Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus had to team up to defeat her. Do you think that those three Sith were this hard to kill that the Exile is far more impressive than Anakin ?
Anakin killed a Blood Carver assassin at the age of 12. He defeated Asajj Ventress, slaughtered a complete Tusken encampment, he killed Dooku, he killed Shaak-Ti, he killed Cin Drallig not to mention all his "legendary" work during the clone wars.
And you have to keep in mind that the Exile never passed the trials to become a Jedi Knight. So Anakin received more training than Exile and he has the greater force potential. And this takes me to the question why do you think Anakin would have failed where the Exile did not ? Just because of impatience ?
In my oppinion it is like this: Anakin got owned two times in lightsaber duels...once by Dooku and once by Obi-Wan and both had far more experience in lightsaber use than Anakin (Anakin trained around 13 years with that weapon. Obi-Wan around 35 years and Dooku 60 years). The Exile doesn't have Dookus and Obi-Wans experience. He might be on one level with Anakin (at least a little bit higher). And concidering this he would get killed because he has nothing to put into the fight against Anakins force potential and they are even in lightsaber fighting.
So it would be both Skywalkers facing Revan at the end. Skywalkers win.
Your argument, is a refreshing breeze of air on this stale forum.
Exile killed the Sith Lords with help, but even with that help, could Anakin hope to? No. Sion, Traya, Nihilus, all are SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful then Anakin could ever hope to be, and were HUMBLED by the Exile. Traya was more powerful then any other sith in her time precisely because she was not stupid enough to blindly follow Sith doctrine. Sion could soak more punishment then anyone in the post KOTOR period, and Nihilus, well, he's Nihilus. Anakin did NOT have more training then exile. I don't know where you got that information, but its not true.
Originally posted by Nai Fohl
After spending some time with reading and gaming I have to ask the question where did the Exile do fare more impressive things than Anakin ?[Dark Exile killed 5 Jedi Masters and 3 Sith (and he did not do that alone).
He defeated every single last one of those Jedi Masters alone, he defeated Sion and Kreia alone... The only one he had help with was Nihilus big deal.
The Jedi Masters were hiding and suffering from the effects of Darth Trayas attack.
Oh? Kreia was attacking the republic? Here I was thinking it was Nihilus
Traya herself was not "true" Sith since she did not believe that the DS is superior to the LS so her sith powers and lessons were "weakened" because she combined it with aspects from the LS.
So knowing one side makes you more powerful then both? Yeah she wasn't a real Sith Lord she was more herself that hardly makes her weaker.
And keeping in mind she is far away from being a "Sith Lord" like Revan, Exar Kun or Tulak Horde, Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus had to team up to defeat her. Do you think that those three Sith were this hard to kill that the Exile is far more impressive than Anakin ?
Yes I do think they were damn hard to kill. Kreia defeated three Jedi Masters by raising her hand, one attack killed three Jedi Masters. Three... Thats impressive, thats powerful. Kreia was amazing and the Exile killed her. Let Anakin try that...
Anakin killed a Blood Carver assassin at the age of 12. He defeated Asajj Ventress, slaughtered a complete Tusken encampment, he killed Dooku, he killed Shaak-Ti, he killed Cin Drallig not to mention all his "legendary" work during the clone wars.
And that means what compared to what the Exile did? Killed a lot of Dark Jedi, destroyed hundreds of Mandelorians lead the Jedi and the Republic into wars just like Anakin did. I really don't see how this makes Anakin any more impressive...
And you have to keep in mind that the Exile never passed the trials to become a Jedi Knight.
What?
The Exile passed his trials and could start training people, the disciple talks about it, he wants to be trained by female Exile. He left the order because she couldn't train him. Otherwise he doesn't join your party but the story stays the same, the Exile passed his trials and could have been a Master. Not a council member but definitely a knight.
So Anakin received more training than Exile and he has the greater force potential. And this takes me to the question why do you think Anakin would have failed where the Exile did not ? Just because of impatience ?
Like said before Anakin does not have greater trainer. You have no idea about his force potential that could be greater or weaker then that of Anakin don't make assumptions based on nothing. And why do I think Anakin would have failed? Because I don't give him a chance in hell of defeating Kreia.
In my oppinion it is like this: Anakin got owned two times in lightsaber duels...once by Dooku and once by Obi-Wan and both had far more experience in lightsaber use than Anakin (Anakin trained around 13 years with that weapon. Obi-Wan around 35 years and Dooku 60 years). The Exile doesn't have Dookus and Obi-Wans experience. He might be on one level with Anakin (at least a little bit higher). And concidering this he would get killed because he has nothing to put into the fight against Anakins force potential and they are even in lightsaber fighting.
How the hell are they even? And so what that those guys had more experience? That didn't help other masters against Revan, and the Jedi Masters around the kotor era did have more experience then the Exile and they still got killed. Kreia had more experience and she got killed by him.
So it would be both Skywalkers facing Revan at the end. Skywalkers win.
Uh no...
It would be the Exile and Revan facing Luke