Originally posted by peejayd
* of course, there are contradictions in the Bible... the statement of Satan obviously will contradict the statement of God and Christ... the statement of an evil person will surely contradict the statement of a righteous one... and considering the time element of laws, the laws of Christ obviously differ from the laws of Moses... 😉
I don't think that is what they are talking about.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i've read the website about the Bible contradictions... most of it really made me laugh... the so-called "contradictions" really do contradict but only in the eyes of people who wants it to have contradictions... 😉
The following is the order of creation according to Genesis 1, the Priestly tradition:
Day 1: sky; earth; light
Day 2: water
Day 3: plant life
Day 4: sun; moon; stars
Day 5: animal life
Day 6: Adam and Eve
Day 7: nothing
The following is the order of creation according to Genesis 2, the Yahwist tradition:
[list][*]earth; heavens
[*]Adam
[*]plant life
[*]animal life
[*]Eve[/list]
In Genesis 1, creation is orderly; God creates step-by-step. In Genesis 2, however, creation is not orderly; God modifies things as He goes, e.g. man is not satisfied with animals so God creates woman.
Furthermore, in Genesis 1, after each step of creation God is satisfied and says, "It is good." In Genesis 2, however, God goes back and makes changes to the things He created previously.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i've read the website about the Bible contradictions... most of it really made me laugh... the so-called "contradictions" really do contradict but only in the eyes of people who wants it to have contradictions... 😉
The Contradictions are quite clear and present, and I laugh at your decision to ignore what's right in front of you.
* okay, let us see... here's the the entire second chapter of Genesis...
"Gn:2:1:
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gn:2:2:
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gn:2:3:
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gn:2:4:
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
Gn:2:5:
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gn:2:6:
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gn:2:7:
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gn:2:8:
And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gn:2:9:
And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gn:2:10:
And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Gn:2:11:
The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Gn:2:12:
And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Gn:2:13:
And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Gn:2:14:
And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Gn:2:15:
And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gn:2:16:
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gn:2:17:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gn:2:18:
And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gn:2:19:
And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gn:2:20:
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Gn:2:21:
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gn:2:22:
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gn:2:23:
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gn:2:24:
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gn:2:25:
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
* no interpretations, no pre-conceived-ideas, no self-conclusions... read it out and see if it contradicts the first chapter...
* you laugh at my decision to ignore what? or you just chose to believe a certain website who only see contradictions which were really not? 😕
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Day 7: nothing
* because Day 7 is on the second chapter, which is the continuation of the first... 😕
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1, creation is orderly; God creates step-by-step. In Genesis 2, however, creation is not orderly; God modifies things as He goes, e.g. man is not satisfied with animals so God creates woman.
"And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:18
* God created woman NOT because He is unsatisfied with animals... but because for man's help or assistance...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Furthermore, in Genesis 1, after each step of creation God is satisfied and says, "It is good." In Genesis 2, however, God goes back and makes changes to the things He created previously.
* what did God changed? 😕
Re: Does The Bible Contradict It's self?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Contradictions could be a sign that the scripture was edited and tampered with...How else can you explain?
This is why the teachings in the Bible should not be taken literally. On one hand, it's wrong to kill, but on the other, it's acceptable. I wish God would make up his mind because he seems not to know what he wants. 😛
Well another reason could be that (1) it took centuries not decades to finally decide what scriptures were going into the Bible, as dictated by Constantine, and (2) the scriptures could have been taken in from Judaism (Torah and Talmud) the Torah being the set of laws such you can't kill, steal, ect. and the Talmud being guidelines or exceptions to the Torah.
Originally posted by peejayd
"And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."
Genesis 2:18* God created woman NOT because He is unsatisfied with animals... but because for man's help or assistance...
This means that originally, God did not intend to create a woman, he just thought of it when he realized that Adam had no one else....
If Adam was not lonely, there may have only been one gender....
So according to that verse, God's original plan for Woman was not procreation, but companionship...
Originally posted by peejayd
* no interpretations, no pre-conceived-ideas, no self-conclusions... read it out and see if it contradicts the first chapter...
Originally posted by peejayd
* i posted the entire second chapter of Genesis, i'm still waiting for someone to prove how the second contradicts the first chapter in God's creation... 😉
The information you provided does not explain the inconsistency between the Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 version of the creation of Adam and Eve. According to Genesis 1, Adam and Eve are created together on the last day of creation. According to Genesis 2, Adam is created on the first day of creation and Eve on the last. Not to mention that in Genesis 1, Adam and Eve are created separately and in Genesis 2, Eve is made from the rib of Adam.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The information you provided does not explain the inconsistency between the Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 version of the creation of Adam and Eve.
* i just posted the entire second chapter of Genesis...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to Genesis 1, Adam and Eve are created together on the last day of creation. According to Genesis 2, Adam is created on the first day of creation and Eve on the last.
* where? here?
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
Genesis 1:26-27
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Not to mention that in Genesis 1, Adam and Eve are created separately and in Genesis 2, Eve is made from the rib of Adam.
* so where does the story of Creation ended? it does not end on the first chapter, my friend... it ended here...
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Genesis 2:2-3
* now, are the succeeding verses part of the story of Creation? nope... it was the details of how God created man and woman, how God enveloped the earth with plants and animals, and enriched the ground and waters, etc...
* are there still any contradictions? 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
* i just posted the entire second chapter of Genesis...* where? here?
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
Genesis 1:26-27* so where does the story of Creation ended? it does not end on the first chapter, my friend... it ended here...
"And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Genesis 2:2-3* now, are the succeeding verses part of the story of Creation? nope... it was the details of how God created man and woman, how God enveloped the earth with plants and animals, and enriched the ground and waters, etc...
* are there still any contradictions? 😉
In Genesis 1:1-31, the creation takes six days, but in Genesis 2:4, the creation takes one day.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:11-27, God creates the plants before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:5-25, God creates man first, the plants next, and then woman.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:14-19, God creates the stars before He creates the earth, but in Job 38:4-7, God creates the stars after He creates the earth.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:20-22, God creates birds from the water, but in Genesis 2:19, God creates birds from the ground.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:25-27, God creates the animals before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, the animals next, and then woman.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:27, God creates man and woman at the same time, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, then woman.
Which is correct?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:1-31, the creation takes six days, but in Genesis 2:4, the creation takes one day.Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:11-27, God creates the plants before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:5-25, God creates man first, the plants next, and then woman.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:14-19, God creates the stars before He creates the earth, but in Job 38:4-7, God creates the stars after He creates the earth.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:20-22, God creates birds from the water, but in Genesis 2:19, God creates birds from the ground.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:25-27, God creates the animals before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, the animals next, and then woman.
Which is correct?
In Genesis 1:27, God creates man and woman at the same time, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, then woman.
Which is correct?
A wise man always does his research before making his argument....good job 👆
The Bible gives us almost no information about the life of Jesus until he started teaching at about the age of 30. And even after his public ministry started there is great confusion about what happened and when. For instance, the Gospel of John claims that the cleansing of the temple took place at the beginning of Jesus' ministry (Jn 2:13-14), but the Gospel of Luke claims the cleansing took place at the end (Lk 19:45-46). On one hand we are told that Jesus stayed in Peter's house and then healed a leper (Mk 1:29-45), on the other we are told that he healed the leper and then went in Peter's house (Matt 8:1-2, 8:14). On one hand we are told that the centurion spoke personally to Jesus (Matt 8:5); in a complete contradiction to this we are told that the centurion sent people on his behalf to speak to Jews (Lk 7:1). In the Gospel of Mark we are told that Jesus left Tyre and passed through Sidon on his way to the Sea of Galilee (Mk 7:31). A look at any map of Israel will show that this is quite impossible as Sidon is in another direction altogether.
Christians will reluctantly admit these mistakes but say that they are minor and of no significance. Perhaps so, but they do prove that the Bible is not infallible, and if the Bible makes mistakes about what Jesus did, it could just as easily make mistakes about what Jesus said. But even when we look at very important event in Jesus' life we find confusion. Let us have a look at the Last Supper. According to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus' Last Supper took place on the Jewish holy day of Passover (Matt 26:17-20, Mk 14:12-17, Lk 22:7-14). The Gospel of John on the other hand claims that the Last Supper took place on the day before Passover (Jn 19:14). Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were supposed to be among the disciples who attended the Last Supper with Jesus. They are also supposed to be the disciples who remembered and wrote down all Jesus' teachings, If they couldn't even remember the day of the Last Supper how do we know that they remembered Jesus' teachings correctly?
Now we will have a look at that most important event in the life of Jesus, his trial. As described in the Bible the trial is predictably full of contradictions, but it also raises many questions which are difficult to answer. The trial and the events leading up to it are usually described by Christians like this - Jesus entered Jerusalem riding on a donkey to the acclaim of the population of the city. He was arrested by the henchmen of the Jewish priests who beat him and handed him over to the Romans. The Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, could find no guilt in Jesus but the Jewish priests kept insisting he was guilty. Unable to make up his mind, the Roman governor decided to ask the crowd what they wanted, either the release of Jesus or a Jewish rebel. The crowd cried out for the release of the rebel and the crucifixion of Jesus. So Pilate reluctantly had Jesus executed.
Would the trial really have proceeded like this? Let us have a look. We are told that "when Jesus rode into Jerusalem crowds of delighted people greeted him, laying their cloaks on the road and praising him as their king (Mk 11:8). But only a day after a huge crowd were screaming out for Jesus to be crucified (Mk 15:12-14).
This sudden change from adulation to hatred is hard to explain. Next we have Jesus brought before Pontius Pilate. The Bible portrays Pilate as a man who can find no guilt in Jesus but is pushed into crucifying him by the Jewish priests. This is clearly impossible. The Romans were famous for their strong and effective government; their judicial system was known for its justice and they did not send weak, indecisive men to govern troublesome parts of the empire. Who could believe that a Roman governor would allow the people he ruled to make up his mind for him and tell him how to run his own court? The Bible says that Pilate asked the crowd whether they wanted either Jesus or Barabbas released (Lk 23:1318), and when they said Barabbas, he was set free and Jesus was executed. Now credibility has been stretched to the limit. We are asked to believe that a Roman governor would execute a man he believed to be innocent and set free a rebel involved in murder and trying to overthrow Roman rule (Lk 23:19). The Romans did not conquer and govern Europe, Africa and the Middle East by releasing dangerous rebels. They were strong, fair and completely ruthless with all who opposed them. So the Christian account of Jesus' trial is unconvincing.
If we read what Jesus is supposed to have said at his trial we can see that all the accounts of the trial are fabrications. According to the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus "gave no answer", (Matt 27:12) and "made no reply, not even to a single charge, to the great amazement of the governor" (Matt 27:14) during his trial. In a complete contradiction to this the Gospel of John claims that Jesus answered charges, asked questions and spoke much during his trial (Jn 18:33-37). Which of these two accounts is true? Was Jesus silent or did he speak? Like the Gospel of John, the Gospel of Luke also claims that Jesus spoke much during his trial. But if we compare John's account of what was said with Luke's account we find that almost every sentence is different (Compare Jn 18:33-37 with Lk 22:66-70). Obviously, Christian claims that the Bible is an accurate, reliable historical document are completely untrue.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:1-31, the creation takes six days, but in Genesis 2:4, the creation takes one day.
"These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
Genesis 2:4
* the passage does NOT mean the entire creation was done in one day... the "day" is plural as the context implies...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:11-27, God creates the plants before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:5-25, God creates man first, the plants next, and then woman.
* i already explained earlier that the story of Creation ended here:
"And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.
So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."
Genesis 2:2-3
* and the succeeding verses (Genesis 2:4 and onwards) was the details of how God created man and woman, how God enveloped the earth with plants and animals, and enriched the ground and waters, etc...
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:14-19, God creates the stars before He creates the earth, but in Job 38:4-7, God creates the stars after He creates the earth.
"Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements--surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it?
On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Job 38:4-7
* the verses in Job does NOT even suggest that the stars were created first before the earth... 😕
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:20-22, God creates birds from the water, but in Genesis 2:19, God creates birds from the ground.
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens.
So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth."
Genesis 1:20-22
"So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name."
Genesis 2:19
* i hope you so the conjunction "AND" in Genesis 1:20, my friend... and the keywords are "bring forth" and "formed"... 🙄
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:25-27, God creates the animals before He creates man and woman, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, the animals next, and then woman.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In Genesis 1:27, God creates man and woman at the same time, but in Genesis 2:7-25, God creates man first, then woman.
* the story of the Creation ended on Genesis 2:3, i hope you understand well enough that the succeeding verses are the details of the Creation and NOT part of the chronological story of Creation... 😉