Does The Bible Contradict It's self?

Originally posted by mahasattva
The Bible gives us almost no information about the life of Jesus until he started teaching at about the age of 30. And even after his public ministry started there is great confusion about what happened and when. For instance, the Gospel of John claims that the cleansing of the temple took place at the beginning of Jesus' ministry (Jn 2:13-14), but the Gospel of Luke claims the cleansing took place at the end (Lk 19:45-46). On one hand we are told that Jesus stayed in Peter's house and then healed a leper (Mk 1:29-45), on the other we are told that he healed the leper and then went in Peter's house (Matt 8:1-2, 8:14). On one hand we are told that the centurion spoke personally to Jesus (Matt 8:5); in a complete contradiction to this we are told that the centurion sent people on his behalf to speak to Jews (Lk 7:1). In the Gospel of Mark we are told that Jesus left Tyre and passed through Sidon on his way to the Sea of Galilee (Mk 7:31). A look at any map of Israel will show that this is quite impossible as Sidon is in another direction altogether.

* did you know that Saint Luke's account were done in chronological order according to the life story of Jesus? and the other accounts from Saint Matthew, Saint Mark and Saint John somehow were not? 😕

Originally posted by peejayd
the passage does NOT mean the entire creation was done in one day... the "day" is plural as the context implies...

If the period of time in question refers to a series of 24 hour periods, it would be denoted by “days,” not “day.”

Originally posted by peejayd
i already explained earlier that the story of Creation ended here . . . and the succeeding verses (Genesis 2:4 and onwards) was the details of how God created man and woman, how God enveloped the earth with plants and animals, and enriched the ground and waters, etc…

the story of the Creation ended on Genesis 2:3, i hope you understand well enough that the succeeding verses are the details of the Creation and NOT part of the chronological story of Creation... 😉

Note the terms that denote order:

Genesis 2:5-25

Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.

But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.

Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.

The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.

The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there.

The name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush.

The name of the third river is Tigris; it flows east of Assyria and the fourth river is the Euphrates.

Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it.

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;

but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."

Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.

So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.

The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.

The man said:

This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

Originally posted by peejayd
the verses in Job does NOT even suggest that the stars were created first before the earth... 😕

Job 38:4-7

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth . . . When the morning stars sang together . . . ?”

Originally posted by peejayd
i hope you so the conjunction "AND" in Genesis 1:20, my friend... and the keywords are "bring forth" and "formed"... 🙄

Genesis 1:20

Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and birds to fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens."

Originally posted by peejayd
* did you know that Saint Luke's account were done in chronological order according to the life story of Jesus? and the other accounts from Saint Matthew, Saint Mark and Saint John somehow were not? 😕

Then many of the books in the Bible are named after different people who are supposed to have written them. So the Gospel of Matthew is supposed to have been written by Matthew, one of the disciples of Jesus. The Gospel of Mark is supposed to have been written by Mark, another of Jesus' disciples, and so on....if these people contradict what they said and written on the bible, then, they are unreliable document. Isn't it becuase the testimony of these people and Jesus disciples were honest or trusted? or are they people from good backgrounds? Let us look.

Some of Jesus' disciples were tax collectors (Matt 9:9), a dishonest and despised class of men (Matt 18;17); others were mere illiterate fishermen (Mk 1:16-17). Simon was a Zealot (Lk 6:15), a group of men known for their fanatical and often violent opposition to Roman rule, and like many people involved in illegal politics he used an alias and was also known as Peter (Matt 10:2). Peter and James were given the nicknames ' Boanerges ' meaning 'sons of thunder' (Mk 3:17) once again suggesting their involvement in violent politics. When Jesus was arrested his disciples were carrying swords and were willing to use them (Matt 26:51). Hardly the sort of people with whom we would feel comfortable.

Another thing that should make us wary of trusting the testimony of Jesus disciples is that they seemed to be constantly misunderstanding what Jesus was saying (Mk 4:13, 6:52, 8:15-17, 9:32; Lk 8:9, 9:45). They are supposed to have seen Jesus perform the most amazing miracles and yet despite this they still doubted. Jesus scolded them and called them "men of little faith" (Matt 8:26, 17:20). Should we trust the writings of men who constantly failed to understand what was being said to them and whom even Jesus called men of little faith? If even the people who knew and saw Jesus had "little faith" how could we, who have never seen him, be expected to have faith in him?

How unreliable and faithless the people who wrote the Bible were is best illustrated by what they did just prior to and during Jesus' arrest. He asked them to keep watch but they fell asleep (Matt 26:36-43). After Jesus was arrested they lied and denied that they even knew him (Mk 14:66-72), and after his execution they simply went back to their fishing (Jn 21:2-3). And who betrayed Jesus in the first place? His disciple Judas (Matt 26:14-16). Association with sinners, liars and fools in order to help them, as Jesus did, is a good thing. But should we believe everything such people say?

An even more disturbing thing about the disciples of Jesus is just how many of them were possessed by demons or devils from time to time. Mary Magdalene who later claimed to have seen Jesus rise from the dead, had been possessed by seven devils (Mk 16:9). Satan entered into Judas (Lk 22:3), tried to get into Simon (Lk 22:31) and Jesus once actually called Peter, his chief disciple, "Satan" (Matt 16:23) indicating that he too was possessed by a devil at that time. Whether possession by devils actually happens or whether it indicates serious psychological disorders as modern psychiatrists believe, either way it indicates that we should treat the words of Jesus' disciples with great caution.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If the period of time in question refers to a series of 24 hour periods, it would be denoted by “days,” not “day.”

Note the terms that denote order:

Dude, it doesn't matter how many times you present the obvious contradictions....Peejayd will pretend they don't exist.

That argument he made about the "Day" being "plural" is total bullshit, because there is nothing to back that assertion up. It clearly said "DAY" and he is trying to argue that it says "dayS"....

He will not admit it Adam Poe...good luck trying to get him to cough up a confession to imperfection 😉

Originally posted by Adam_PoE Note the terms that denote order:

Genesis 2:5-25

Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground.

* the story of the Creation ended on Genesis 2:3, i hope you understand well enough that the succeeding verses are the details of the Creation and NOT part of the chronological story of Creation...

"And on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done.
So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."
Genesis 2:2-3

* the story of Creation ended here, my friend... you can't even refute that point...

* plus, why did you start from Genesis 2:5? because Genesis 2:4 will will ruin your pre-conceived ideas and conclusions?

"These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
When no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no man to till the ground;"
Genesis 2:4-5

* if someone will apply at least a little piece of mind, you will understand that from this point forward, Moses was finished narrating the chronological story of the Creation, he was now writing the details of how God created specific things...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE Job 38:4-7

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth . . . When the morning stars sang together . . . ?”

* you claimed God creates the stars after He creates the earth in this passage from the book of Job... you just cut the verse, the book of Job does NOT narrate the chronological story of the Creation...

* plus, do you really think that the "morning stars" written, were the literal stars you see in the skies?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE Genesis 1:20

Then God said, "Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and birds to fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens."

* you really want it to contradict, huh? what does "teem" mean? to abound or swarm; be prolific or fertile, overflow, brim, overrun, bristle...

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens."
Genesis 1:20

"So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name."
Genesis 2:19

* the verses were very clear, please do not misinterpret it according to your pre-conceived idea...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE If the period of time in question refers to a series of 24 hour periods, it would be denoted by “days,” not “day.”

* in Genesis 2:4 (which you obviously did NOT post), it was written as the summary of the story of Creation... i will explain how the word "day" was plural due to the context that surrounds it...

"These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
Genesis 2:4

* "these", "are", "generations"... is that bullshit still, mr.urizen?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen Dude, it doesn't matter how many times you present the obvious contradictions....Peejayd will pretend they don't exist.

That argument he made about the "Day" being "plural" is total bullshit, because there is nothing to back that assertion up. It clearly said "DAY" and he is trying to argue that it says "dayS"....

He will not admit it Adam Poe...good luck trying to get him to cough up a confession to imperfection 😉

* "dude", my explanations are very valid, you can refute it if you like...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
A wise man always does his research before making his argument....good job 👆

* you can refute so you will have more dignity... not just kissing the a$$ of someone that affirms your belief, am i right? 😉

Originally posted by mahasattva
Then many of the books in the Bible are named after different people who are supposed to have written them. So the Gospel of Matthew is supposed to have been written by Matthew, one of the disciples of Jesus. The Gospel of Mark is supposed to have been written by Mark, another of Jesus' disciples, and so on....if these people contradict what they said and written on the bible, then, they are unreliable document. Isn't it becuase the testimony of these people and Jesus disciples were honest or trusted? or are they people from good backgrounds? Let us look.

* i said, did you know that Saint Luke's account were done in chronological order according to the life story of Jesus? and the other accounts from Saint Matthew, Saint Mark and Saint John somehow were not? please answer the question...

Originally posted by mahasattva
Some of Jesus' disciples were tax collectors (Matt 9:9), a dishonest and despised class of men (Matt 18;17); others were mere illiterate fishermen (Mk 1:16-17). Simon was a Zealot (Lk 6:15), a group of men known for their fanatical and often violent opposition to Roman rule, and like many people involved in illegal politics he used an alias and was also known as Peter (Matt 10:2). Peter and James were given the nicknames ' Boanerges ' meaning 'sons of thunder' (Mk 3:17) once again suggesting their involvement in violent politics. When Jesus was arrested his disciples were carrying swords and were willing to use them (Matt 26:51). Hardly the sort of people with whom we would feel comfortable.

* if you look things that way, you are no different from the Jews that crucified Jesus - hypocrite... of course, many people are wicked and commit sins and transgressions against God, but were they forgiven or not?

Originally posted by mahasattva
Another thing that should make us wary of trusting the testimony of Jesus disciples is that they seemed to be constantly misunderstanding what Jesus was saying (Mk 4:13, 6:52, 8:15-17, 9:32; Lk 8:9, 9:45). They are supposed to have seen Jesus perform the most amazing miracles and yet despite this they still doubted. Jesus scolded them and called them "men of little faith" (Matt 8:26, 17:20). Should we trust the writings of men who constantly failed to understand what was being said to them and whom even Jesus called men of little faith? If even the people who knew and saw Jesus had "little faith" how could we, who have never seen him, be expected to have faith in him?

* really? or are you just choosing the verses that suits you? how come there's a verse that says the disciples have big faith? plus, there are things that the disciples did not understood when they were around Jesus, but when the prophesies from the Old Testament and the words of Jesus was fulfilled, they understood what Jesus meant... for example:

"Jesus answered them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
The Jews then said, It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?
But he spoke of the temple of his body.
When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this; and they believed the scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken."
John 2:19-22

* see?

Originally posted by mahasattva
An even more disturbing thing about the disciples of Jesus is just how many of them were possessed by demons or devils from time to time. Mary Magdalene who later claimed to have seen Jesus rise from the dead, had been possessed by seven devils (Mk 16:9). Satan entered into Judas (Lk 22:3), tried to get into Simon (Lk 22:31) and Jesus once actually called Peter, his chief disciple, "Satan" (Matt 16:23) indicating that he too was possessed by a devil at that time. Whether possession by devils actually happens or whether it indicates serious psychological disorders as modern psychiatrists believe, either way it indicates that we should treat the words of Jesus' disciples with great caution.

* Mary Magdalene was possessed by seven devils BEFORE she became a follower of Christ...

* Judas Iscariot was a thief, it was obvious that he will succumb to Satan's favor...

"This he said, not that he cared for the poor but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box he used to take what was put into it."
John 12:6

* Saint Peter was NOT possessed by Satan...

"But he turned and said to Peter, Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men."
Matthew 16:23

* it was due to the fact that Saint Peter said things he should have not said... he loved Christ so much that he does not want Him to die... but Christ's death is the fulfillment of everything God had planned, so opposing that plan must be the motive of Satan, that's why Jesus called Peter, Satan... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens."
Genesis 1:20

This quote....

[i]Originally posted by peejayd
"So out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name."
Genesis 2:19[/I]

.....Contradicts this one...how can you not see it ?

Originally posted by peejayd
* the verses were very clear, please do not misinterpret it according to your pre-conceived idea...

Perhaps, YOU are the one misinterpretting the text ? You do speak English right? You have taken courses in grammer, correct ?

Originally posted by peejayd
* in Genesis 2:4 (which you obviously did NOT post), it was written as the summary of the story of Creation... i will explain how the word "day" was plural due to the context that surrounds it...

Please be my guest.....

Originally posted by peejayd
"[B]These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
Genesis 2:4 [/B]

Generations can mean generations of animals, plants, or bacteria....doesn't necessarily mean fragments of time.

AT the same time, how could generations exist within the ONE DAY God created the Earth and Heavens ?

It CLEARLY SAYS ONE DAY...unless you accept the contradictions that GENERATIONS exist in one DAY.....

Originally posted by peejayd
* "these", "are", "generations"... is that bullshit still, mr.urizen?

Could be 😉

But you explain it well !

Originally posted by peejayd
* "dude", my explanations are very valid, you can refute it if you like...

Gladly bro....the biggest contradiction of all...how does a Loving God send his children to Hell ?

And no, we dont send ourselves....he judges us based on what we have done, and then sends us...to eternal torment. It's self evident that HE created Hell...

How does a being of pure Love create a place of eternal torment for his own children?

Please answer me that

Originally posted by peejayd
* you can refute so you will have more dignity... not just kissing the a$$ of someone that affirms your belief, am i right? 😉

Oh, you mean the way you kiss Jesus' ass ? 😉

If conformity is not an extension of ass kissing, i dont know what else is..... ❌

Originally posted by peejayd
* of course, there are contradictions in the Bible... the statement of Satan obviously will contradict the statement of God and Christ... the statement of an evil person will surely contradict the statement of a righteous one... and considering the time element of laws, the laws of Christ obviously differ from the laws of Moses... 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
This quote....

.....Contradicts this one...how can you not see it ?

* i see and understand what you mean, my friend, but it really is NOT a contradiction like you want it be...

* according to Bible scholars, the Pentateuch was written by Moses around 1,513 B.C., and if it's written by someone like Moses, i really doubt there would be contradictions in his works...

* as i've said earlier, the story of Creation ended on Genesis 2:2-3 and the succeeding verses were NOT part of the chronological story of Creation, Genesis 2:4 and onwards narrates the details of Creation, NOT the story of Creation...

* plus, if Moses had written the Pentateuch, it would be very obvious that it was Moses who wrote the first and second chapter of Genesis, right? he will know first hand if his work will contradict itself... and as i've said again earlier, the keywords are "bring forth" (Genesis 1:20) and "formed" (Genesis 2:19), my friend...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Perhaps, YOU are the one misinterpretting the text ? You do speak English right? You have taken courses in grammer, correct ?

* oh, yes... and you? 😛

* who's misinterpreting what? i'm not even giving my own opinion... i'm just reading and posting the verses...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Please be my guest.....

[b]Generations can mean generations of animals, plants, or bacteria....doesn't necessarily mean fragments of time.

AT the same time, how could generations exist within the ONE DAY God created the Earth and Heavens ?

It CLEARLY SAYS ONE DAY...unless you accept the contradictions that GENERATIONS exist in one DAY.....

Could be 😉

But you explain it well ! [/B]

* "generations" can mean what? are you sure or not?

"These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
Genesis 2:4

* here's the "generations" according to the context of the verse... "the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created"

* the passage says "in the day" and NOT "one day" which you want to imply... and the "day" was preceded by the definite article "the" which means it could either be singular or plural depending on the context...

* but one thing is for sure, the definite article "the" pertains to a specific or particular noun - which in the verse was "day"... and what does the word "day" modifies in the verse? it was the summary of the GENERATIONS of the heavens and the earth when they were created... 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Gladly bro....the biggest contradiction of all...how does a Loving God send his children to Hell ?

And no, we dont send ourselves....he judges us based on what we have done, and then sends us...to eternal torment. It's self evident that HE created Hell...

[b]How does a being of pure Love create a place of eternal torment for his own children?

Please answer me that [/B]

* gladly, my friend... but i'm afraid, you have another misinterpretation... God would NOT send His children to hell... not all people are children of God, let's read about whose children are not of God...

"He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
John 8:47, 44

* they are not the children of God... but of the devil... now, what kind of people will go to hell?

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
Revelation 21:8

"Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness,
Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit,
Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19-21

* what are the categories? some people commit sin by accident, is that counted?

"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
But a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries."
Hebrews 10:26-27

* God is not only loving, but also serves justice rightfully... 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh, you mean the way you kiss Jesus' ass ? 😉

If conformity is not an extension of ass kissing, i dont know what else is..... ❌

* wha-- me? 😕

* FYI, not all teachings of Jesus affirms to every person's flesh... for example: a horny guy wants to obey Christ's teachings, this commandment is very difficult for him...

"You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery.
But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Matthew 5:27-28

* is that a$$-kissing? 😕

"And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved."
Matthew 10:22

* obeying Christ's teachings is not like sitting on a couch, watching T.V. and eating popcorn... it has hardships, difficulties for a person that he must endure until the end... it's way too far from a$$-kissing, my friend, way too far... 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yet God changes not??

"Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change."
James 1:17

* the Father Himself cannot change... His laws can be changed, specifically those from Moses... it was changed, amended and perfected by God's Son Himself - Christ Jesus... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* gladly, my friend... but i'm afraid, you have another misinterpretation... God would NOT send His children to hell... not all people are children of God, let's read about whose children are not of God...

"He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
John 8:47, 44

* they are not the children of God... but of the devil... now, what kind of people will go to hell?

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
Revelation 21:8

"Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness,
Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit,
Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that [B]those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Galatians 5:19-21

* what are the categories? some people commit sin by accident, is that counted?

"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
But a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries."
Hebrews 10:26-27

* God is not only loving, but also serves justice rightfully... 😉 [/B]

Bottom line is God created Hell....a place of eternal torment. That in itself is a rather sadistic move...

God also admitted to being wrathful and jealous, which is hypocritical considering that he condemns those states of mind....

A being of pure love does not create a place of eternal torment for his own children...according to most Christian doctrine, ALL who do not beleive in Christ, whether morally good or bad, to go Hell...

Sounds completely injust and quite cruel to me....

Originally posted by peejayd
"Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change."
James 1:17

* the Father Himself cannot change... His laws can be changed, specifically those from Moses... it was changed, amended and perfected by God's Son Himself - Christ Jesus... 😉

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Bottom line is God created Hell....a place of eternal torment. That in itself is a rather sadistic move...

* but NOT for His children... hell is for Satan, his angels and all those people who side with him...

* why eternal torment?

"But to what angel has he ever said, "Sit at my right hand, till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet"?
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?"
Hebrews 1:13-14

"For they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
Luke 20:36

* angels are spirits and cannot die, and eternal torment is the most suitable punishment for those who cannot die...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
God also admitted to being wrathful and jealous, which is hypocritical considering that he condemns those states of mind....

* humans are created according to the likeness and image of God (Genesis 1:26), and humans can rise different emotions - love, anger, joy, hatred, kindness, etc...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
A being of pure love does not create a place of eternal torment for his own children...

* as i've said earlier, not all people are children of God...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
according to most Christian doctrine, ALL who do not beleive in Christ, whether morally good or bad, to go Hell...

* i never read of such doctrine, it's not Christian-like... here's whati've read...

"This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."
I Timothy 2:3-4

* God wants all people to be saved...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Sounds completely injust and quite cruel to me....

* maybe you read a different book... i would gladly give verses in the Bible to prove to you that hell is NOT for those people who are kind-hearted... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* but NOT for His children... hell is for Satan, his angels and all those people who side with him...

Though to be fair that is not completly true. One doesn't automatically side with Satan if one does not believe in God, but it is portrayed that way. And it leaves no room for neutrality - the whole "With us/against us" syndrome.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Agian [B]God changes not...............Oh, he must of been mistaken or a liar. [/B]

* it is the BEING of God that never changes...

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting thou art God."
Psalms 90:2

* the Father is God, the Father is a spirit (John 4:24), that state of being is never going to change...

* the laws of Moses are changed, amended and perfected by Christ and it does not violate any teaching of God or whatsoever...

"Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and ordinances that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel."
Malachi 4:4

* the law of Moses was given exclusively for Israel, and not for the time of Christianity... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* it is the BEING of God that never changes...

So he doesn't change in a kind of metaphysical sense, he just changes his mind?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Though to be fair that is not completly true. One doesn't automatically side with Satan if one does not believe in God, but it is portrayed that way. And it leaves no room for neutrality - the whole "With us/against us" syndrome.

* there are no rooms for gray lines in choosing good or evil, life and death, blessing or curse...

"I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot!
So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth."
Revelation 3:15-16

* there really is no room for neutrality, it's either good or evil, no 50% good and 50% evil...

"He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."
John 8:47

* it's not a syndrome, it's plain truth, my friend... 😉

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
So he doesn't change in a kind of metaphysical sense, he just changes his mind?

* we, humans, are flesh, blood and bones... we cannot change into a spirit... and we also can change our minds... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* there are no rooms for gray lines in choosing good or evil, life and death, blessing or curse...

"I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot!
So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth."
Revelation 3:15-16

* there really is no room for neutrality, it's either good or evil, no 50% good and 50% evil...

"He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."
John 8:47

* it's not a syndrome, it's plain truth, mr friend... 😉

Which would work if all nonbelievers where baby eating, kitten torturing blasphemers bent of badness.

But most nonbelievers aren't anything like that, and the fact they are nonbelievers should not equate them with being in Satan's service.

And I say "bah" to God and the Devil's chess game for humanity. Humanity is the grey line. It is humanity I believe in, not the supposed aloof beings who invisibly move pieces around a board.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the story of the Creation ended on Genesis 2:3, i hope you understand well enough that the succeeding verses are the details of the Creation and NOT part of the chronological story of Creation...

* the story of Creation ended here, my friend... you can't even refute that point...

* plus, why did you start from Genesis 2:5? because Genesis 2:4 will will ruin your pre-conceived ideas and conclusions?

* if someone will apply at least a little piece of mind, you will understand that from this point forward, Moses was finished narrating the chronological story of the Creation, he was now writing the details of how God created specific things...

Genesis 2:19-22

Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.

The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.

So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.

The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.

Here, God creates animals to provide Adam with a helper. Hence, Adam is created before the animals. Adam then proceeds to name the animals, after which, God determines that none are a suitable helper for Adam, so He creates woman. Hence, woman is created after both Adam and the animals. Adam > animals > woman = chronology; one that contradicts that of Genesis 1:25-27.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you claimed God creates the stars after He creates the earth in this passage from the book of Job... you just cut the verse, the book of Job does NOT narrate the chronological story of the Creation...

* plus, do you really think that the "morning stars" written, were the literal stars you see in the skies?

In other words, Job 38:4-7 is figurative, because it contradicts Genesis 1:14-19.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you really want it to contradict, huh? what does "teem" mean? to abound or swarm; be prolific or fertile, overflow, brim, overrun, bristle...

* the verses were very clear, please do not misinterpret it according to your pre-conceived idea...

The meaning of “teem” is not in question, but rather the command for water to bring forth “swarms of living creatures, and birds to fly above the earth . . .”

Originally posted by peejayd
* in Genesis 2:4 (which you obviously did NOT post), it was written as the summary of the story of Creation... i will explain how the word "day" was plural due to the context that surrounds it...

* "these", "are", "generations"... is that bullshit still, mr.urizen?

Genesis 2:4

This is the account of the heavens and the earth, in the day that the LORD God made creation.