Anakin turns to the darkside for NO REASON!

Originally posted by Mandos
Still something bothers me.
In empire stikes back, Vader asks Luke to join him and to destroy the emperor together to rule at his place. However in Return of the Jedi, when Luke strikes the Emperor, Vader blocks his strike.
It relates to what we've talked about. Surely, Vader wanted the emperor dead. Why did he block him. Even if his son didn't join him to the dark side at the end, he would still be satisfied by the death of the emperor.

I honestly think Vader did that for Luke's own good. For one, the Emperor could have stopped Luke from hitting him if he really wanted. We've seen countless times how UNdefenseless this guy is. So Vader knew Luke would be no good to him dead or injured (he's learned that for himself the hardway). So he decides to battle Luke, maybe bring out the dark side in him and kill the Emperor. All the while, making it appear to Palpatine that Vader is still loyal and acting as his protector.

I remember something when I read the 1st post : "This name significates nothing to me !" in Jedi (sorry for my english, I just remember french version...) when Luke tries to take him from the dark side...
For me, as he knows he killed Padme he disavow his ancient personnality.
Also, the fact that he says to Padme "I'll be loyal to the republic" shows that it is not only the fact that he wants to save Padme that will point him to the dark side, thats a whole story also explained in episode 1 and 2 : fear of losing, violent reactions, etc...
For me this thread cannot be detached from the whole story, thats a fact among others...

Originally posted by Deadlyshot07
My opinion is that Vader was gonna kill Palpatine after he killed Obi Won.....

Interesting theory.....

Like on the games alternate ending.

He kills OB1, Emperor is taking about he restored peace to the his galaxy, Anakin kills him and says 'Its MY gaaxy'

Palpatine was interested in Anakin from the beginning and would do whatever it took to lure him to the dark side. In the end as Vader, Anakin lost everything and had no where else to go.

As Vader says to Luke in ROTJ, "You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master."

Originally posted by Stacks
I dont understand why Vader would remain loyal to the emperor after he finds out that Padme is dead... it defeats the whole purpose of why he changed..

I dont understand this Logic:
Emperor "turn to the dark side and you will have the power to save your wife"
Anakin -"Ok cool"

Anakin becomes Darth Vader - "where padme?"
Emperor- "oh shes dead, you killed her accidentally"
Anakin -"Shit, **** me! Oh well, lets go build a death star" The end

Should Darth be pissed at the emperor becuase he got screwed in the deal...

In addition, the emperor lies to darth about the cuase of her death, saying that she died when he choked her. If thats the case, then she would have died without giving birth to the luke and leia.

So then in "Empire Strikes Back" when Darth recognizes that he has a son.. Shouldn't he be ticked off at the Emperor for lying?

It seems like the Emperor keeps screwing over Anakin/Darth and obviously lying to him, and Vador doesn't get annoyed or bothered by it until the very end of return of the Jedi... like helllooooo you're getting played!
Does this make sense to anyone?

His anger is his greatest weakness but it's his greatest strength! Despite losing Padme he can wreak his revenge upon the surviving Jedi and on the Republic. The Emperor gave Anakin a new purpose. That is his reason. You need to watch the film again. Or perhaps being a philosophy student I know more about the human psyche to understand his reason.

Let me answer your questions.

Why would Vader not remain loyal to the Emperor. It wasn't the Emperor's fault Anakin killed Padme. She died as a result of Anakin's Force choke.(He did kill her!)

Why would Anakin kill Padme before he found out how to save her? It's his own damn fault she died, Not the Emperors fault. The Emperor explained that together they would find the mysteries of the Sith to help Padme, But Anakin was impatient and let his anger take over. So the only one he should be pissed at is himself, not the Emperor. Furthermore, the Emperor never dicusses what happened to the children so again, he didn't lie ✅

Anakin's dreams of the death of his mother and his inability to save her as she died in his arms were so tragic that he fears losing Padme as in his dreams. He loves her as the Romantic hero does--desperately and completely (like the Phantom of the Opera, or Quasimodo, or Romeo). He will do anything to save her, and tells the Chancellor this as he pledges his allegiance to him, becoming his apprentice. Anakin says, "I cannot live without her."

It is ironic (and a Romantic "antithesis"--where two opposites clash together) that, in his quest to gain the power to save her, his turning to the dark side is the very thing that kills her. She can't live without him, and yet can't bear the grief of what he has become.

Mace, Yoda, and Obiwan discussed how they felt the prophecy of Anakin being the chosen one must have been misinterpreted. Yet, they are wrong! Anakin IS the chosen one, and only by descending into the dark side does he gain the power to destroy the Emperor. As the Chancellor explained to Anakin, you have to learn both sides of the force to understand and wield its full power. Only Ani as the Chosen One has the dark strength to defeat evil and the good in his heart of the Jedi.

As Anakin says to Padme on the fiery planet, when she flies out to see him and begs him to come with her, "I will become more powerful than the Emperor. You and I will rule, and I will restore peace in our Empire." Although she recoils in horror, that is exactly what Anakin does--he becomes more powerful than the Emperor, and like the true Romantic hero, it is love (of Luke and Leia) that guides him as he defeats the Emperor and restores peace. He fulfills his destiny as the Chosen One, defeats evil, and Returns to the Jedi. I feel he is reunited with Padme in the "force" that Yoda refers to when talking to Anakin about death being the natural end of life and the re-entering of the force.

I absolutely LOVED the movie, and feel that the whole series is the life of Anakin Skywalker--his tragic childhood, his passionate and desperate love for Padme, and ultimate redemption as the Chosen One!

the writing in episode III made it appear as though anakin joined the darkside with little to no persuasion. However,i understand that Palpitine had been corrupting anakin for years, thank god i went to school.

Well...why would anakin not remain loyal to palpatine?
The guy saved his life!!!
He probably thought that since padme was dead he had no reason to be good any more... he didn't even know that luke or leia were alive.
That was why he had the emotional outburst when he found out she died... that was his last show of humanity before he fully became darth vader...

And some people may think that it was unrealistic him saying "What have I done?" after assisting with knocking mace out the window (Did he really die?) and then going and doing everything palpatine asks...
It's not unreallistic... Anakin decided that he could not go back to the jedi and could only think about saving padme

Originally posted by yseultlablonde
Anakin's dreams of the death of his mother and his inability to save her as she died in his arms were so tragic that he fears losing Padme as in his dreams. He loves her as the Romantic hero does--desperately and completely (like the Phantom of the Opera, or Quasimodo, or Romeo). He will do anything to save her, and tells the Chancellor this as he pledges his allegiance to him, becoming his apprentice. Anakin says, "I cannot live without her."

bad acting and editing can make a good story seem crappy

Originally posted by Stacks
Fair Points guys... but isnt it wierd because in Return of the Jedi, Vador just tosses him like a ragdoll over the ledge without a problem?

Not so weird, as you recall, when darth absorbed all that lightening in the process of chucking the ol fart bag over the rail, he pretty much fried himself and died to save his son and redeem himself. The emperor told luke: "join us or die", luke didn't join so the emperor tried to make him Krispy Fried Critters. It's at this point when darth realizes, 'ok, enough's enough, luke won't help me defeat you, but still, i'm sure as hell not going to let you kill him, especially after you played me you. After he realizes luke won't join with him, he really has nothing left to live for and goes kamikaze on wrinkles.

Originally posted by Reborn Again
His anger is his greatest weakness but it's his greatest strength! Despite losing Padme he can wreak his revenge upon the surviving Jedi and on the Republic. The Emperor gave Anakin a new purpose. That is his reason. You need to watch the film again. Or perhaps being a philosophy student I know more about the human psyche to understand his reason.

First of all, let me just add, that's one of the most arrogant things I've heard in some time. Perhaps being a philosophy student has made you look even dumber by missing his point completly. What he's saying is that he doesn't know why the Emperor told Vader that VADER was the one to kill Padme when he could've told him that it was Obi-wan that killed her. All that the Emperor did was make vader pissed off at himself and the entire darkside, a resentment which he harbors until ROTJ. The Emperor did not give Anakin a new purpose; at that point Vader realized he's screwed: he can't kill the emperor, he sacrificed everything to save a wife that he lost anyway. Hence, at he end of ROTS he just stands next to the Emperor like a beaten dog and thinks to himself 'someday, somehow, i'm gonna kick your wrinkly ass'. And I don't recommend that anyone watch this tripe a first time, let alone a second...but hey, what do I know, it's not like I'm a philosophy student.