Originally posted by Violent2DopeButterbean just started his mma career back then. why you always mentioning the guy?
I agree that because Ali is larger his punches should be harder, but saying a larger fighter will always beat a small one is bullshit. Genki Sudo is 5'9" and 154 pounds, whereas Butterbean is 5'11" and is 400 f*ckin pounds, and Sudo made him submit in about 40 seconds.
and Sudo is the definition of submission specialist.
Originally posted by Violent2Dopejust for this post i'm posting why Butterbean is truely a fighter, and I CANT imagine how anyone can disagree.
I saw the fight but couldn't remember his name, but anyway I was just saying that saying a larger guy will always beat the smaller one is bullshit. Then again, Butterbean is not really a fighter, so it was a bad example.
Butterbean:
Mixed Martial Arts Record
Record 10 - 3 - 1 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Wins 4 (T)KOs (40.00%)
6 Submissions (60.00%)
6 SUBMISSIONS! read that, 6 SUBMISSIONS, against fighter much taller than him and more experienced in the sport.
and let's not forget, he knocked out Cabbage when Cabbage was considered to have one of the best chins in the MMA.
Boxing record
Total fights 88
Wins 77
Wins by KO 58
Losses 7
Draws 4
No contests 2
His Sumo record i heard is 1-1, but not sure if it's completley accurate.
Size doesn't always mean you will take out smaller opponent.A lot of factors go into a fight.The two combatants skill level,experience,endurance,even luck and chance play a part,regardless of how skilled the two are.Were size does play a huge and probably it's biggest factor,is if the two opponents are equal in skill.Weight training plays a part in this too.If a guy weighs in at 250 and does no weight training,he can get put down fairly easy by a guy weighing only 185 that does exstinsive weight training.
example:
Fighter 'A' weighs 250 pounds.Fighter 'B' weighs in at 185.If fighter B is a skilled fighter and figher A has a very limited knowledge of any phase of combat,fighter B can win this with minimal effort.However, if these two fighters are equal in skill,the guy at 185 is going to have a very hard time in taking out opponent 'A'.
Originally posted by StyleTime
We can't say Lee had more power in his legs because he never had a fight we can verify excluding Wong. We can't even be sure he had KO power at all. Have YOU seen him render someone unconscious outside of the movies?I see this is about to venture down the same path that the argument for Lee usually ventures down. As a little game for myself, I will see how many times I can quote one of my past posts and still counter the Lee side.
Even Gene Lebell admitted Lee's size restricted his power.Lebell got kicked full on by Lee and he wasn't knocked out.He claimed had Lee been a bigger man he probably would have got him,but that was about it.
Lee even admired ground fighting,and started learning how to fight from the ground after Lebell humbled him on the mat several times.Lee told lebell he never though ground fighting would really work in the movies though,and people wouldn't understand it.
Originally posted by Robtard
You do realize that when I argue for Bruce Lee, it's 99.9% based on faith that he is as bad ass as the legends say he was. You gotta admit, mofo was both a freak when it came to keeping himself physically trained and his techniques adaptable.Edit: One thing about Lee that is factually true, his speed; it was almost inhuman.
Obviously he would win if he lived up to his hype though.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
I agree Genki would most likely beat Ali and Lee, but Lee would beat Ali. Oh and an argument you made Styles earlier was that the only grapple you've seen Lee perform is a front headlock, that's one more than Ali has shown isn't it?😄
Lee can't maintain a front headlock on Ali. Again, escaping from a front headlock from someone 100 lbs lighter than you isn't difficult.
Hell, he probably would never actually get one to begin with.
Originally posted by mr.smiley
Even Gene Lebell admitted Lee's size restricted his power.Lebell got kicked full on by Lee and he wasn't knocked out.He claimed had Lee been a bigger man he probably would have got him,but that was about it.Lee even admired ground fighting,and started learning how to fight from the ground after Lebell humbled him on the mat several times.Lee told lebell he never though ground fighting would really work in the movies though,and people wouldn't understand it.