Originally posted by StyleTimeBoxing is a style primarily used for blocking attacks at the torso or face, and is limited to his arms. Ali packs more power in his punches, but in kicks Lee has more power in his legs than Ali does in his arms. Lee's biggest advantage is his versatility, he has more ways to KO Ali.
Yes it does, unless you plan to tell me how Bruce will overcome just that. Ali has plenty of other advantages, nearly all actually, but tell me how Bruce gets past the boxing please.
We can't say Lee had more power in his legs because he never had a fight we can verify excluding Wong. We can't even be sure he had KO power at all. Have YOU seen him render someone unconscious outside of the movies?
I see this is about to venture down the same path that the argument for Lee usually ventures down. As a little game for myself, I will see how many times I can quote one of my past posts and still counter the Lee side.
LAME! I can't find a quote.
Lee was about 120 pounds at his peak and never actually showcased his kicking power. There plenty of "fighters", and I am using that term extremely loosely here, that have good technique and can't kick hard. Most Tae Kwon Do jin are a good example of this.
Bill Wallace kicked hard. Bruce Lee acted like he kicked hard.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
So because Lee doesn't weigh alot he can't kick hard?
There is also no evidence that he can't kick hard.
Also, Lee's punches are no joke either and he is probably faster than Ali.
There is no evidence that he CAN kick hard. There is however, evidence that plenty of people have decent technique and still can't kick hard. It's more reasonable to say he can't kick hard considering he has never once proved he can in his entirely life.
Again, Lee has never once shown any power in his punches.
Why are giving so much credit to someone who didn't back up any of his hype? Nearly everything he did is myth. He hasn't demonstrated the capacity to defeat Ali.
YES! I can use quote from a while ago! "Demos" refer to the 1-inch punch shows he put on.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I saw the [b]demos. It's not hard to do what he did when the "opponent" is just standing there. The rest of his "feats" are just hearsay. He never fought anybody to back up any of his supposed martial knowledge. Also, the fightes he trained having nice things to say about him doesn't really amount to much. Most fighters are friendly and compliment each other all the time. Fedor said Crocop was his toughest opponent, but we've seen others give Fedor a harder fight.Let me ask you guys this. If there was an actor who played an incredible basketball player in many movies without actually playing any real games in the NBA or any other organization, would you consider him a great basketball player? We'll even assume this actor went to demos and did cool tricks with the ball, but he still never played an actual game. [/B]
Originally posted by StyleTime
LAME! I can't find a quote.Lee was about 120 pounds at his peak and never actually showcased his kicking power. There plenty of "fighters", and I am using that term extremely loosely here, that have good technique and can't kick hard. Most Tae Kwon Do jin are a good example of this.
Bill Wallace kicked hard. Bruce Lee acted like he kicked hard.
Wrong.
1) I believed he weighed more than 120 "at his peak", i.e. 130-140.
2) There's footage of Lee kicking a heavy body bag and sending it flying, more than one occasion too. There's also footage (no, not one of his movies) of Lee kicking a [protected/padded] man and sending him flying back. Both feats take kicking power.
Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong.1) I believed he weighed more than 120 "at his peak", i.e. 130-140.
2) There's footage of Lee kicking a heavy body bag and sending it flying, more than one occasion too. There's also footage (no, not one of his movies) of Lee kicking a [protected/padded] man and sending him flying back. Both feats take kicking power.
I said he weighed about 120 at his peak.
I saw the punching bag "feat". It was hanging and he moved it with a sidekick. We don't know how much it weighed, but moving a bag isn't difficult. My 15 year old brother can send one "flying". I've done it. The people at my gym did it. It's not really a good feat.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Not really.I said he weighed [b]about
120 at his peak.I saw the punching bag "feat". It was hanging and he moved it with a sidekick. We don't know how much it weighed, but moving a bag isn't difficult. My 15 year old brother can send one "flying". I've done it. The people at my gym did it. It's not really a good feat. [/B]
But what aboout the "one inch punch"? Surely with his Chi channelled into it, his fist "becomes like unto a thing of iron". He used to punch clean through tree trunks I heard.
Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong.1) I believed he weighed more than 120 "at his peak", i.e. 130-140.
2) There's footage of Lee kicking a heavy body bag and sending it flying, more than one occasion too. There's also footage (no, not one of his movies) of Lee kicking a [protected/padded] man and sending him flying back. Both feats take kicking power.
I saw the one with Lee kicking the man with the really big padded "shield", it was kool, and was part of his personal training footage...
Anyway, I think in a boxing match - Ali by split decision
In an MMA match - Probably Lee by split decision
In a random encounter in the streets - I want to say Lee because he's faster and well rounded, all Ali could really do was throw punches, it's not
And remember that fighting isn't just about KO power, but also submission skills as well, so everyone who says that Lee would lose hasn't put into account that Lee could use his speed to quickly evade strikes and lock on a submission
(or maybe you have, as I only read the first and last pages)
P.S. He weighed around 140 lbs. at his peak. I checked
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
In boxing: Ali by knock out 7 or 8 times out of ten.Little guy vs big guy both skilled and a non-choreographed fight: Ali 7 out of 10.
In boxing though, Ali would get 10/10.
If Bruce picks up a pipe or something I guess he could take a few in a street fight.
Originally posted by Bat Dude
Anyway, I think in a boxing match - Ali by split decisionIn an MMA match - Probably Lee by split decision
In a random encounter in the streets - I want to say Lee because he's faster and well rounded, all Ali could really do was throw punches, it's not
And remember that fighting isn't just about KO power, but also submission skills as well, so everyone who says that Lee would lose hasn't put into account that Lee could use his speed to quickly evade strikes and lock on a submission
(or maybe you have, as I only read the first and last pages)
P.S. He weighed around 140 lbs. at his peak. I checked
In a MMA match or on the streets Ali would still win. You speak of Bruce's submission skills yet he has never once shown us he could apply submissions effectively. I saw his one real fight. His grappling knowledge amounted to a front headlock on an opponent of the same size. A 6 year old can do that.
Applying a submission to someone so much larger than himself would be near impossible. An example of this Nogueira vs Sapp. Nogueira, widely considering one of the greatest grapplers in the world in his prime, tried to apply submissions on a near 400 lb Sapp and was piledrived repeatedly for his efforts. Now, Nogueira is known for his immunity to being KOed so he weathered Sapp's powerful slams and eventually scored a submission. Bruce doesn't have the luxury of a tough chin since he never once showed us he has a tough chin and would get promptly dropped on his head for attemtping a submission.
Ok guys. I was too lazy before, but I just looked it up in one my many Bruce Lee books. It says he weighed 125 pounds at his peak.
If you want to check me the book is titled, Bruce Lee: The Art of Expressing the Human Body Vol.4.