Muhammad Ali or Bruce Lee?

Originally posted by whobdamandog
How effective would Ali be in a fight if one of his knee caps or shins was broken from a well placed side kick? Or if his eyes had been gouged?
These are the types of injuries that can happen in "No holds barred" matches my friend.

Don't get me wrong..I agree with you for the most part. But I think you're forgetting, that winning a fight isn't just about brute strength and size..its also about how one applies their physical attributes through technique..as well as knowing your opponents strengths/weaknesses.

Lee was much more skilled when it came to knowing which parts of the body to kick, punch, etc..and what types of injuries resulted from particular types of hits. To the best of my knowledge, certain types of blows..to certain regions of the body, will take down most anyone rather effortlessly.

From what I've read of Tao..Bruce seemed to have a pretty good knowledge of human anatomy/pressure points..and what parts of the body he should go for when facing a much larger/stronger opponents. This knowledge by all means does not make it an "auto win" factor for Bruce..but in my humble opinion..definately gives him an edge in the tactical skill area.

Size and strength can indeed be overcome. I wasn't saying that they are be all end all of fighting, but one can't ignore the importance of a size/strength advantage. When both fighters are skilled, the larger fighter will always have the advantage.

You're right about Bruce mentioning some anatomy is books. However, he did not actually practice these "death strikes" in a live manner and, as any fighter would tell you, an untrained technique is an unreliable technique. Not to mention, do you know how difficult it is to hit a pressure point on a moving target? It is also nearly impossible to land a good side kick on someone's shin because most fighters, especially boxers, will be light on their feet.

Pressure point striking/shin sidekicking/etc is LEGAL in competition, so why doesn't anyone use it?
It doesn't work.

Like most every one else I (used to) enjoy Bruce Lee movies. He virtually originated the Kung-Fu/Karate genre. For that he is to be commended!

However, as far as calling him a "fighting legend" I would have to disagree. We judge our champions in life by who they face. The best Basketball teams play the best Basketball teams to see who is the very best. The best boxers face the best to see who is top dog. This is how it works and must work.

During the late 60's and early 70's there were many great martial arts champions: Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, etc. all of them faced the best of the best at one time or another and came out on top. Unfortunately, Bruce Lee was not listed among them!

I was there and followed the sport closely. Bruce Lee was (and is by adults at least) considered firstly an actor, but also an innovator relative to his martial arts training. However, he was never ever considered a great fighter! Contrary to what you see on the silver screen Bruce Lee was never tested relative to his fighting ability. He never faced the best of the best and defeated them. There is a reason for this: he was first and foremost and actor.

I understand there is a current crop of teens (and others) who idolize Bruce Lee as the greatest fighter who ever lived. This is brought to you by those who trade on the name for the sheer profit motive. There is a Bruce Lee financial dynasty which seems to get larger each year. This has been to the benefit of his widow, Linda Lee, and some others who have deep financial interests. But to the detriment of what is factual.

It's no fun poking a hole in a legend. However, in the name of truth it needed to be said. There is no reason for me to post this other than for the sake of truth. Don't hate the messenger because you don't like the message.

Keep the faith🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

Originally posted by whobdamandog
How effective would Ali be in a fight if one of his knee caps or shins was broken from a well placed side kick? Or if his eyes had been gouged?
These are the types of injuries that can happen in "No holds barred" matches my friend.

Don't get me wrong..I agree with you for the most part. But I think you're forgetting, that winning a fight isn't just about brute strength and size..its also about how one applies their physical attributes through technique..as well as knowing your opponents strengths/weaknesses.

Lee was much more skilled when it came to knowing which parts of the body to kick, punch, etc..and what types of injuries resulted from particular types of hits. To the best of my knowledge, certain types of blows..to certain regions of the body, will take down most anyone rather effortlessly.

From what I've read of Tao..Bruce seemed to have a pretty good knowledge of human anatomy/pressure points..and what parts of the body he should go for when facing a much larger/stronger opponents. This knowledge by all means does not make it an "auto win" factor for Bruce..but in my humble opinion..definately gives him an edge in the tactical skill area.

Originally posted by AdventChild
If lee resorts to such measures as to groin shots hitting the knee caps etc then he isn't much of a martial artist..He would be nothing more than a cheap shot fighter...which means it isn't much of a match.Which means he has no honor which leads me to say that he isn't much of a martial artist. Not to mention if he goes for the temple or something it's still a cheap shot if he goes for it intentionally.I think when most people refer to them as fighting we mean as an all out fight excluding biting eye gouging, groing hitting, leg and arm breaking and fatal shots...Most people that try biting eye gouging groin hitting and other cheap shots are bitches no questions asked....People who do that are rather desperate to win the fight and know that they really don't have a chance in a real fight or know that they really cann't fight but claim they can....

Um in a no rules match there is no dishonor in a fight........Martial Arts for YEARS and YEARS have taught quick strike to the groin, temple, eye, instep stomp, soloplex, throat strikes..................the longer a fight goes on especially with no rules the more likelyhood of VERY serious injuries now that's the real crime🙂

I'll post Lees one and only fight and what really happened tonight 😂

Originally posted by soleran30
Um in a no rules match there is no dishonor in a fight........Martial Arts for YEARS and YEARS have taught quick strike to the groin, temple, eye, instep stomp, soloplex, throat strikes..................the longer a fight goes on especially with no rules the more likelyhood of VERY serious injuries now that's the real crime🙂

For the last time, Lee can try whatever "dirty" tricks he wants. It is NOT going to get him the win.

Originally posted by AdventChild
If Lee's so great of a fighter then he shouldn't resort to such pathetic techniques not to mention he supposed to be the greatest martial artist and fighter that's ever lived so he shouldn't resort to such desperate measures unless he knows he cann't win...

Ok well I just fail to see how using something to your advantage in a fight is pathetic.........I mean seriously..........I am not sure where you are trying to go with this.......maybe Ali shouldn't punch cuz he's so awesome he can just rope a dope on anything and he is so fast and heavy lee can't hurt him anyway right.......... 😱

Styletime we both know a quick kick to the dingding gives Lee the win.🙂

it's the balls! comeon! let ali punch or kick lee in the balls then...He'd probably would have to get neutered or something.eye gouging is pathetic as well no honor at all and bruce being a martial artist the greatest martial artist should have the greatest honor...You know what...If you people don't get it by now that ali would win then just simply leave...You're worth the time and effort of replying to anymore....

Originally posted by AdventChild
it's the balls! comeon! let ali punch or kick lee in the balls then...He'd probably would have to get neutered or something.eye gouging is pathetic as well no honor at all and bruce being a martial artist the greatest martial artist should have the greatest honor...You know what...If you people don't get it by now that ali would win then just simply leave...You're worth the time and effort of replying to anymore....

Thanks for saying I am worth the time to reply to though........

You are seriously getting all worked up over nothing litteraly its a thread about ali and lee its all speculation period because it won't happen🙂

LOL the dingding......thanks for my lesson there yeah I mean the balls.......testicles whatever you like..........its all in jest anyway🙂

LOL that's funny 😆 ur silly and cute... it's just annoying that some people just don't get it...i know this would never happend it would be cool though

Originally posted by soleran30
There is no way in HELL Bruce Lee bench pressed 750 lbs! Thank you please drive through

idunno man ive heard that from a few people cuz he took steroids..but regardless, thats not the point...bruce lee still owns ali easily

for those ignorant to the world of martial arts, im here so get used to it what i will say is contradictory to alot of your opinions so live with it.

A. first and for most the objestive for you in a fight if you are not the aggresor is self-preservation, ok that means you do what ever it takes to not get put in hospital. therefore so called " cheap shots" are ok.

B. secondly, if in a fight or match you try to use a presure point or critical hit it needs to come unexpectadly like suprise attack sort o' thing, and if you do you need to go for a large area i.e. breast bone, temple or jaw.

C.now being a nunchaku expert let alone and expert in over 3 martial arts bruce would know this and he would know how to do it and when to do it. He would also most likely know how to do these with his kicks so ali would not get a look in.

done! glad i got that of my chest!

any pssionet dissagreements PM me if you would be so kind! 😛

Originally posted by bogen
for those ignorant to the world of martial arts, im here so get used to it what i will say is contradictory to alot of your opinions so live with it.

A. first and for most the objestive for you in a fight if you are not the aggresor is self-preservation, ok that means you do what ever it takes to not get put in hospital. therefore so called " cheap shots" are ok.

B. secondly, if in a fight or match you try to use a presure point or critical hit it needs to come unexpectadly like suprise attack sort o' thing, and if you do you need to go for a large area i.e. breast bone, temple or jaw.

C.now being a nunchaku expert let alone and expert in over 3 martial arts bruce would know this and he would know how to do it and when to do it. He would also most likely know how to do these with his kicks so ali would not get a look in.

done! glad i got that of my chest!

any pssionet dissagreements PM me if you would be so kind! 😛

Um Ok show us some proof of your statements buddy....
Yea i didn't think so...
bye..

Originally posted by AdventChild
Um Ok show us some proof of your statements buddy....
Yea i didn't think so...
bye..

LOL oh my gosh girl you have been sippin on to much haterade today........

Seriously didn't you see Enter the Dragon when Bruce Lee broke the board with his bare hands! Bare hands.......now think of Bruce punching someone's face! Yeah just a hiyahh 1-2-3 out for the count cuz they don't call him Bruce fer nuthin!

...... 😐 do martial arts...you'll be able to do it too...

Originally posted by soleran30

Styletime we both know a quick kick to the dingding gives Lee the win.🙂

I've been hit in the "dingding" in a fight. It WILL NOT put you down. Pro fighters get hit in the "dingding" all the time, yet they continue fighting. If they can continue when their life isn't even threatened, I'm pretty sure someone could keep going if they are about to die.

Originally posted by bogen
for those ignorant to the world of martial arts, im here so get used to it what i will say is contradictory to alot of your opinions so live with it.

A. first and for most the objestive for you in a fight if you are not the aggresor is self-preservation, ok that means you do what ever it takes to not get put in hospital. therefore so called " cheap shots" are ok.

B. secondly, if in a fight or match you try to use a presure point or critical hit it needs to come unexpectadly like suprise attack sort o' thing, and if you do you need to go for a large area i.e. breast bone, temple or jaw.

C.now being a nunchaku expert let alone and expert in over 3 martial arts bruce would know this and he would know how to do it and when to do it. He would also most likely know how to do these with his kicks so ali would not get a look in.

done! glad i got that of my chest!

any pssionet dissagreements PM me if you would be so kind! 😛

with thanks to Zarathrusta, Lees famous "No holds barred fight" - read it all its very interesting 😉

Originally posted by whobdamandog
How effective would Ali be in a fight if one of his knee caps or shins was broken from a well placed side kick? Or if his eyes had been gouged?
These are the types of injuries that can happen in "No holds barred" matches my friend.

Don't get me wrong..I agree with you for the most part. But I think you're forgetting, that winning a fight isn't just about brute strength and size..its also about how one applies their physical attributes through technique..as well as knowing your opponents strengths/weaknesses.

Lee was much more skilled when it came to knowing which parts of the body to kick, punch, etc..and what types of injuries resulted from particular types of hits. To the best of my knowledge, certain types of blows..to certain regions of the body, will take down most anyone rather effortlessly.

From what I've read of Tao..Bruce seemed to have a pretty good knowledge of human anatomy/pressure points..and what parts of the body he should go for when facing a much larger/stronger opponents. This knowledge by all means does not make it an "auto win" factor for Bruce..but in my humble opinion..definately gives him an edge in the tactical skill area.

Apparently you know little of Ali and never saw his fight against antonio Inkoki.He took multliple knee and leg shots.What most people forget is that Lee had no actual fighting experince.

Originally posted by soleran30
LOL oh my gosh girl you have been sippin on to much haterade today........

Seriously didn't you see Enter the Dragon when Bruce Lee broke the board with his bare hands! Bare hands.......now think of Bruce punching someone's face! Yeah just a hiyahh 1-2-3 out for the count cuz they don't call him Bruce fer nuthin!

Rocky Marciano hit with the pressure of a 45 calibur bullet and he never took an oppenent out with one hit.I've seen plenty of guys break boards and yet get their asses kicked in mma tournements.Just watch any of the first ufc events.