Capt America vs Daredevil

Originally posted by Alfheim
That would explain it I thought what he said was ****ing hilarious;

So does that enable him to beat the crap out of him...no. Because what you fail to understand is this they are just senses, his senses do not give him the speed of flash. He may know that a punch is coming but he may not be able to stop it and also one way of beating his senses are to do combinations he may be able to stop one punch but a combination of moves is another thing.

He doesn't need the speed of Flash. He just needs his superior speed and agility, his super-enhanced reflexes, and his radar sense.

And he has all of those.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
DD is debately a better fighter/more skilled martial artist than Cap.

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Originally posted by Alfheim
Were not talking about. Skill can compensate for speed, like I said Punisher is much slower than DD but was still able to tag him a couple of times. The Punisher has even punked Nightcrawler. Cap is slower than Spiderman but cos his fighting skills are so good he can tag Spiderman loads of times up close. In fact Cap is so good that Spdierman has said that he cannot take him in H2H, therefore DD would have more trouble with Cap...do the math.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yes it does , the point is that Sticlk is such a good fighteer that DD'senses wont be enough

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok...but they didnt help him against Wolverine and Cap is probably a better fighter than him and all of the above.

Originally posted by thedude1948
More than cap does yes. Iron Fist relies on his "Iron Fist", Bullseye on his perfect aim.

Bullseye has managed to hold his own against the best, including Deadpool, Cap, Elektra, etc.

Saying these guys aren't as skill because they have other abilities is like saying Cap doesn't rely too much on H2H due to the SSS.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
DD is debately a better fighter/more skilled martial artist than Cap.

And yea, knowing what Cap will do will pretty much save DD of any harm. He's easily fast enough to avoid Cap's attacks when coupled with his radar sense.

Oh.....my.....God... Well its like this

1.Cap's bio says he is one of the greatet fighters on the planet DD's bio does not

2. Wolverine mentioned a list of fighters and Cap came top on the list. Matt was not mentioned.

3. In a proper fight Wolverine beat DD.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He doesn't need the speed of Flash. He just needs his superior speed and agility, his super-enhanced reflexes, and his radar sense.

And he has all of those.

Er excuse me DD is only sligthly more agile than Cap and thats the same in reflexes. Like I said Cap can beat Spiderman's sense he can give DD a problem and just because he knows its coming doesnt mean he will be able to stop it.

Originally posted by Accel
And DD can roll with any punches that connect just fine. Whether they hit or not, the damage will be minimal.

You missed the point Cap slays Spiderman in H2H. Spiderman has to use his webbings. Therefore DD who cannot force Spiderman to use his webbing is going to have a tough time with Cap radar or not.

Originally posted by Accel

Stick has the same abilities DD does. Cap doesn't. Cap isn't Stick. Not to mention Cap would also have his problems in a fight against Stick. Saying Daredevil has problems with Stick means he would lose to Cap is flawed logic.

Originally posted by Accel

He did fine against Logan in one confrontation. It can be accused of Ennis bias, but it still happened.

Thats absolute nonsense. Dont look at the fact that it happened, look at WHY it happened. Wolverine was at great disadvantage it does not count.

Ok lets put it this way cap's bio

Captain America is one of the finest human combatants Earth has ever known.

Shang Chi's bio

Shang-Chi is one of the world's most adept combatants, trained in all known martial arts.

DD's bio

Daredevil is a master of a unique martial art form, which is a hybridized form of American boxing and the Japanese arts of ninjutsu, judo and aiki-jujutsu.

Yes DD is a master of his style but if he was one of the best in the world they probably would have put it down.

As I have mentioned before Wolverine listed some fighters and put Cap at the top. DD is not mentioned, he is good but not one of the best.

DD is not such a good fighter he has to make Spiderman resort to hanging back and using his webbing.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh.....my.....God... Well its like this

1.Cap's bio says he is one of the greatet fighters on the planet DD's bio does not

2. Wolverine mentioned a list of fighters and Cap came top on the list. Matt was not mentioned.

3. In a proper fight Wolverine beat DD.

2. So what Wolverine says (or rather doesn’t say) is law now?

3. I guess this negates all those times of DD beating or holding his own against the likes of Iron Fist and Bullseye… because we all know Wolverine is more skilled than those guys. rolleyes1

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er excuse me DD is only sligthly more agile than Cap and thats the same in reflexes. Like I said Cap can beat Spiderman's sense he can give DD a problem and just because he knows its coming doesnt mean he will be able to stop it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You missed the point Cap slays Spiderman in H2H. Spiderman has to use his webbings. Therefore DD who cannot force Spiderman to use his webbing is going to have a tough time with Cap radar or not.

And I never said DD easily takes Cap. It's a hard fight either way.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Thats absolute nonsense. Dont look at the fact that it happened, look at WHY it happened. Wolverine was at great disadvantage it does not count.

Originally posted by Accel

You mean this? Doesn’t look like much of a disadvantage to me.

Apparently he was mind controlled. Ok good points but I have never seen DD mentioned anywhere as being one of the best in the world.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Apparently he was mind controlled. Ok good points but I have never seen DD mentioned anywhere as being one of the best in the world.

Originally posted by Accel
He used his standard hack n' slash method. Considering that's his typical style, mind-controlled or not, I doubt his MA abilities were affected THAT much.

Well I dunno. Anyway ive been loking at you're DD respect thread. Yeah DD is one of my fav characters I forgot what a badass he is.

Gotta take my hat off, that really was a RESPECT thread.

I appreciate the recognition, but jrodslam contributed most of the scans, including that one with DD taking down Wolverine. Without his help, the thread would have just been some fights between DD and Spider-Man.

Ok, people are makeing some outstanding points for Daredevil, but one thing

Lets be honest, Spiderman is definately not one of the greatest fighters, rather he relies on his acrobatics and OTHER powers (strength, webbing, and now alot of his new 'gadgets) to get by in fights. Which is still formitable, but i think it is a bit inaccurate to use a daredevil vs spiderman fight in contrast to one with Cap in regards to martial prowress. Perhaps only to analize his agility and ability to overcome a disadvantage be it spiderman having spidersense, but nothing else.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh.....my.....God... Well its like this

1.Cap's bio says he is one of the greatet fighters on the planet DD's bio does not

2. Wolverine mentioned a list of fighters and Cap came top on the list. Matt was not mentioned.

3. In a proper fight Wolverine beat DD.

Er excuse me DD is only sligthly more agile than Cap and thats the same in reflexes. Like I said Cap can beat Spiderman's sense he can give DD a problem and just because he knows its coming doesnt mean he will be able to stop it.

You missed the point Cap slays Spiderman in H2H. Spiderman has to use his webbings. Therefore DD who cannot force Spiderman to use his webbing is going to have a tough time with Cap radar or not.

Thats absolute nonsense. Dont look at the fact that it happened, look at WHY it happened. Wolverine was at great disadvantage it does not count.

My God, man.

Read a comic. Stop relying on "bios". Read a damn comic.

I don't care what the bios say, what Wolverine of all people says, nor your opinion on Wolverine vs. DD (since it's off-topic anyway, no offense).

I stick by what I said. DD is arguably a better fighter/more skilled martial artist than Cap.

And he is more agile. And basically has an early-warning system. And has enhanced reflexes. If anything, slightly better or at the LEAST, equivalent to Cap's. But, since he knows what'll happen beforehand, he moves BEFORE Cap. Thus, giving him an advantage.

Evidence?

-He batted away a God-Dammned bullet with his billy club.
-He caught a lethal card that was meant for Elektra's throat. Or order to kill, that card had to be going fast. And it was all in one panel, too. Elektra didn't even know it was coming. They were relaxing at the time.

Why do people keep saying "Cap beat Spidey's spider-sense"? Am I the only sane one around here?

First, Spidey underestimataed Cap's fighting and tactical skills. In no way or fashion did Cap "Negate" or even come close to "beating" his Spider-sense. Spidey was caught a bit unawares, having not really fought Cap before the way they were fighting (I know they fought before, but this was different, they both knew what had to happen).

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Why do people keep saying "Cap beat Spidey's spider-sense"? Am I the only sane one around here?

First, Spidey underestimataed Cap's fighting and tactical skills. In no way or fashion did Cap "Negate" or even come close to "beating" his Spider-sense. Spidey was caught a bit unawares, having not really fought Cap before the way they were fighting (I know they fought before, but this was different, they both knew what had to happen).

Good points in the first part of your post, im not going to argue that

However, I would have to disagree with that last part. Perhaps "beat" isint the proper word, but Cap did infact get around Spidermans spidersense

So:

(And thereafter, spiderman was punched)

Judgeing by this scan, Spiderman admitted he was unable to completely avoid all of Captain americas assault due to the 'watery' method he was using. You could say it was as if he was able to perdict the initial movement, but once it got going it was sort of like spiderman was caught up in one long move and innevitabely his body was not going to be able to contort in a way that would allow him to dodge, as seen in the following panel. Which did infact force him to re-think his plan. Spiderman even admitted he could not keep the fight close or else he would be defeated

So IF we were to use this as a compairison to DD's radar sense, you could assume that Captain amercia may be able to 'get around' it as well, ALTHOUGH, DD is a FARRRRRRR better fighter than spiderman point being DD not only can naturally dodge, but has a sort of 'boost' that enables him to dodge more effectively than spiderman in a martial situation.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Good points in the first part of your post, im not going to argue that

However, I would have to disagree with that last part. Perhaps "beat" isint the proper word, but Cap did infact get around Spidermans spidersense

So:

(And thereafter, spiderman was punched)

Judgeing by this scan, Spiderman admitted he was unable to completely avoid all of Captain americas assault due to the 'watery' method he was using. You could say it was as if he was able to perdict the initial movement, but once it got going it was sort of like spiderman was caught up in one long move and innevitabely his body was not going to be able to contort in a way that would allow him to dodge, as seen in the following panel. Which did infact force him to re-think his plan. Spiderman even admitted he could not keep the fight close or else he would be defeated

So IF we were to use this as a compairison to DD's radar sense, you could assume that Captain amercia may be able to 'get around' it as well, ALTHOUGH, DD is a FARRRRRRR better fighter than spiderman point being DD not only can naturally dodge, but has a sort of 'boost' that enables him to dodge more effectively than spiderman in a martial situation.

I agree very much with the last part of your post.

See, my problem is that I'm still very much up-in-arms about that comic in the first place. Cap's superior fighting ability or not, Spidey has ALWAYS been able to sense and dodge MUCH FASTER THINGS/MORE THINGS/MORE FASTER THINGS. Spidey was retarding himself basically. Had he wanted to, considering all the NUMEROUS feats proving so, he could've ended the fight pretty much as quickly as he wanted.

So, yes. I know it happened. But does it make sense? No, not at all.

Now, if Spidey didn't have this extensive history of being the #1 dodger in comics...then yes, it would make A LOT more sense.

That being said, I think DD takes this 6/10.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I agree very much with the last part of your post.

See, my problem is that I'm still very much up-in-arms about that comic in the first place. Cap's superior fighting ability or not, Spidey has ALWAYS been able to sense and dodge MUCH FASTER THINGS/MORE THINGS/MORE FASTER THINGS. Spidey was retarding himself basically. Had he wanted to, considering all the NUMEROUS feats proving so, he could've ended the fight pretty much as quickly as he wanted.

So, yes. I know it happened. But does it make sense? No, not at all.

Now, if Spidey didn't have this extensive history of being the #1 dodger in comics...then yes, it would make A LOT more sense.

That being said, I think DD takes this 6/10.

Yes i agree, thier was a little bit of PIS in that section & i mean, its CAP, and going with the story i know they werent about to have cap get his anus beaten. In contrast with all of spideramans feats, i agree you could say theoreticly he should have been able to dodge that. Anyways, with taht said yes, I would actually say DD has a much better chance of dodgeing cap that perhaps spiderman, and the more i think about it, This may actually be in favor of daredevil

Agreed. DD takes the SLIGHT majority here.

infact, i may be overstepping myself a bit but you could perhaps DD may be what spiderman would be like (agility wise) if he decided to do some intense martial arts training. perhaps

Yeah, DD 6/10.

Cap wins.