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Originally posted by Creshosk
Gladiators power differs depending on how he feels about himself.

Did you see that fight between them 2, gladiator didnt have a reason to lose his confidence. He was at his max, including his heat vision. Lets put it like this i think that gladiator will destroy superman. But what im about to say should end this debate with superman.

when superman finds a way to beat venom, a guy who he stated was the worst fight he had in his career and him and spiderman got choked out by venom and superman got slapped around in the entire book. Then i would think that colossus or cannonball wouldnt be a match for superman.

Originally posted by derrick24
Did you see that fight between them 2, gladiator didnt have a reason to lose his confidence.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/cannonball21.jpg

And company crossover's aren't cannon. as the 616 Jubilee would have been pining over robin. . . Since she didn't we can only assume that it was not our 616 characters fighting.

it dont matter if you dont think that its canon are not, it happened. everyone bring up the debate that superman beat thor and that superman took a adamantium laser to the chest, are that superman owned hulk. why cant i use venom as a debate its the same way you all are using it. Venom owned superman effortlessly. Superman then stated that it was the worst fight he has ever had.

Superman isnt all that you all bake him up to be, he a lousy fighter who depends on his powers.

Originally posted by derrick24
it dont matter if you dont think that its canon are not, it happened. everyone bring up the debate that superman beat thor and that superman took a adamantium laser to the chest, are that superman owned hulk. why cant i use venom as a debate its the same way you all are using it. Venom owned superman effortlessly. Superman then stated that it was the worst fight he has ever had.

Superman isnt all that you all bake him up to be, he a lousy fighter who depends on his powers.

It'f you're going to use that then I can bring up batman punching canonball out of his blast aura, and if Bats can do it why can't superman?

now youre lying, batman never punched him out of his bio field, i have that book (access) and batman never layed a hand on cannonball and if he did, (which he didnt) it was still the teenager version, im talking about the current cannonball who cannot be hurt or touched at all. who is a external and is classified as being a immortal, not the slacky cannonball who dont know how to completely use his powers. Also in that same book jean grey was owning superman, with only her telekinesis. 😆

Originally posted by derrick24
now youre lying, batman never punched him out of his bio field, i have that book (access) and batman never layed a hand on cannonball and if he did, (which he didnt) it was still the teenager version, im talking about the current cannonball who cannot be hurt or touched at all. who is a external and is classified as being a immortal, not the slacky cannonball who dont know how to completely use his powers. Also in that same book jean grey was owning superman, with only her telekinesis. 😆

Then I'm sure you'll remember this feat:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3873879

And Juggernaut owned Collosus on each of their encouters and Superman one punched Juggernaut in a crossover.

And again I'll ask you, in the Marvel vs DC, Jubilee gets closer to Robin romantically. but in MU616 Jubilee never gives him a second thought.

If crossover's are canon how come they never have any effect in the regular timelines?

Originally posted by derrick24
Ice breath wont work, heat vision wont work, grabbing and trying to take him to space wont work and all of this is due to the fact that he is totally indestructible by physical means while hes flying. How could you grip a force field and throw it, you cant. Superman has no way of beating cannonball, someone that can absorb any type of punishment superman throw at him and give it back.

Originally posted by derrick24
it dont matter if you dont think that its canon are not, it happened

There is no "think" about it. Either events took place or they didn't. What if? and company crossovers aren't canon unless the company says it is. Alternate realities don't usually count because things are just different. What happens there may not work in mainstream.

In other words, it didn't happen.

Seriously creshock collossus is class 100 now in 616 and has been for the last 3 to 4 years. A lot of entries in the Marvel Directory are outdated. If you pick up the Dorling Kinderley Ultimate Guide to the Xmen you will see it states in therer also that he is of the class 100 range. Did you not read Xmen around the time of the neo?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Seriously creshock collossus is class 100 now in 616 and has been for the last 3 to 4 years

I'm sick of X-Men fanboys arguing about Colossus being durable and strong as Superman.
Superman can lift cities, he moved a moon, helped from Supergirl but a moon, understand?He lifted starships of the dimensions of a moon and throwed them away like nothing, and I'm talking of Post Crisis Supes.
Superman's durability grants him to survive hundred of nuclear strikes, his speed nearly reach that of light, he can heal faster than humans, Colossus is nothing to him, than a merely low level Class 100 guy with metal body and X-Men training, that compared to Supes, is nothing.
Aquaman can take out Colossus alone, and he's not Superman, but he's still stronger than him, very durable, and possess considerable ground speed, and reflexes, plus he's a master tactician and fighter, he can handle both Logan and Colossus if he wants.

I'd also like to add

Originally posted by derrick24
he is just as strong, have you forgot that with age, mutants get stronger. Colossus durability and strength has increased. He is metallo, and from my knowledge metallo gives superman a run for his money.

Originally posted by derrick24
Ice breath wont work, heat vision wont work, grabbing and trying to take him to space wont work and all of this is due to the fact that he is totally indestructible by physical means while hes flying. How could you grip a force field and throw it, you cant. Superman has no way of beating cannonball, someone that can absorb any type of punishment superman throw at him and give it back.

Hulk has grasped force fields before, and so can Superman.

Originally posted by K3VIL
I'm sick of X-Men fanboys arguing about Colossus being durable and strong as Superman.
Superman can lift cities, he moved a moon, helped from Supergirl but a moon, understand?He lifted starships of the dimensions of a moon and throwed them away like nothing, and I'm talking of Post Crisis Supes.
Superman's durability grants him to survive hundred of nuclear strikes, his speed nearly reach that of light, he can heal faster than humans, Colossus is nothing to him, than a merely low level Class 100 guy with metal body and X-Men training, that compared to Supes, is nothing.
Aquaman can take out Colossus alone, and he's not Superman, but he's still stronger than him, very durable, and possess considerable ground speed, and reflexes, plus he's a master tactician and fighter, he can handle both Logan and Colossus if he wants.

As much as I hate to say this, K3VIL just owned you.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
How do you know that? He's only been back for like a year. There's no telling how strong he was beforehand.

Swanky READ posts. He has been class 100 since the time of the Neo and the Slavers when rogue was leading the Xmen 3 to 4 years ago that is not debatable that is fact. When he died recently he died a class 100. If you read Xmen you would know this. However your comments make it quite apparent that that is not the case.

Im not saying he'd win GOD NO!! But i just wanted to clear that up

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Swanky READ posts. He has been class 100 since the time of the Neo and the Slavers when rogue was leading the Xmen 3 to 4 years ago that is not debatable that is fact. When he died recently he died a class 100. If you read Xmen you would know this. However your comments make it quite apparent that that is not the case.

Swanky why would you suddenly decide to dispute this fact now when people have been saying it on this forums for months. Before collossus was brought back even. Im at university at the moment so i dont have access to my collection. I do happen to finish today however and i'll be back home in a week. When that happens i'll happily scan in the official bio and also the date the book was published and after i do that i want you to bow down and proclaim me your master. Is that understood?

In fact i know what i'll do i'll get my sis to scan in the page at home and email it to me. Give me till tomorrow

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Swanky why would you suddenly decide to dispute this fact now when people have been saying it on this forums for months.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I've been here for months and I've heard the same thing many times. Pre-death Colossus = class 70, Ultimate Colossus = class 100, Returned Colossus = probably class 100.

You probably misinterpreted what was being said. Returned collossus is class 100 because thats how he was just before he died as well. In all marvel official bios for him they said that collossus can lift 70 tons but he's a teenager so this will no doubt increase as he gets older. They gave themselves the option of increasing his strength and it was obvious that was exactly what they were going to do eventually from reading that.

In the bio i'll post it says something like collossus now fully grown can press at least 100 tons making him mighty enough to engage the likes of juggernaut in hand to hand combat.

After the whole twelve/apocalypse thing rogue beat wolverine and became leader of the Xmen. It was at this time that collossus got his upgrade. He died a few months later.