Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You probably misinterpreted what was being said. Returned collossus is class 100 because thats how he was just before he died as well.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
It was more like he was class 70 before he died, then class 100 when he came back. Because he got older and trained. While on the space ship or whatever.
Well whoever said that was wrong. Collossus was class 100 just before he died. But yes it was through being older and training. Come on Swab=nks you should beable to trust me by now 😄 . Either way you'll have your proof soon.
ok question why did you, derrick, make this into a cannonball vs superman thread? anyone of the telepaths could take him, or flash could just steal his speed, and then he cant move. JLA is just more powerful thats that. Unless Iceman ACTUALLY uses all his powers and Joseph makes a magnetic Mechwarrior that has Kryptonite bullets and a flamethrower they are NOT goin to win.......Wolvie is way too overrated and as much as I like Colossus he isnt gonna take ANY of them. JLA wins and I think your the only one that hasnt come to that conclusion
Phew. Some people have come round. 😄
Listen, Derrik.
People aren't saying that JLA would win, because they hate Marvel. Or because they haven't read any Marvel.
They're saying it because the JLA members are more powerful than the X-Men characters. Let me give you some scenarios of how Superman alone could defeat the X-Men.
Cannonball - would be destroyed in the first split second before he started moving and becomes invulnerable.
Rachel - dead a tiny split second after so that her TP doesn't come into play.
Joseph - dead at the same time as Rachel - whilst Supes squashes Rachel with one hand, he burns Joseph's brains out with a blast of heat vision.
Now there isn't anyone worthy enough to fight Supes, he can just pick them off as he pleases.
Collosus - Nice blast of ice breath to freeze him cold, then some burning fire from Supes eyes. Instant shattered Collosus.
Wolverine - don't make me laugh.
Storm - ditto.
Iceman - there's nothing Iceman can do to Supes - Supes insides are protected by his forcefield too. No amount of ice will trap someone with the awesome strength of Superman. Supes evaporates Iceman with heat vision, sucks him into his superlungs, flies into space and breathes him into the void.
Northstar - dunno how Supes could catch him. But there's bugger all that he could do to the man of steel.
Now you've gotta consider that there are more than just Superman in the JLA. So Supes can just concentrate on one or two key people on the X-Men and let Flash or MM take care of some too.
This is a walkover and not at all as close as you think Derrik.
Superman has no way of beating cannonball get it thru your heads. Cannonball can just stand there and absorb superman best shots and send it back to him. Superman does not speed blitz in comics, if he does give me the name of the book and the #; He should have speed blitz that guy that shot him in the head with that kryptonite bullet.
Lets put it like this aquaman loves physical confrontation, that would be his downfall once he faces wolverine, wolverine would just start slacking away at aquaman like no tomorrow, aquaman strength isnt going to work and that hook that he has no his hand aint going to do nothing. If wolverine can take down namor, he wont have no problem with aquaman.
When i brought up colossus i didnt say that he could beat superman i said that he could last a while but disregard that, superman would be to busy with cannonball (adult version) and colossus will be man handling wonder women. Rachel is just to much for mm, she has plenty of fire in her disposal, the girl has a portion of the phoenix force, mm doesnt compare to that kind of power, i say she burns him to a crisp and put a psychic block while doing so.
Green lantern and joseph; green lantern might have the most powerful weopon in the universe but he does possess blood and he eats lot of iron. Joseph would just make all of his blood leak out of his nose and mouth while he has his force field up the entire time.
Then north star and flash would be just running all over the place but north star has additional powers besides moving the speed of light, he shoot light beams out of his hands and has enhanced strength and durability. I think it would be a great fight, quicksilver gave a good fight and north star is 1000's of time faster than him.
Now you have superman still fighting cannonball seeing that he cant cause this guy NO KIND OF HARM. you have wonder women fighting colossus and aquaman laid out because of the multiple of stab wounds he has and batman facing a furious wolverine, joseph looking for someone to throw a semi trunk on top of and storm and hawk girl going at it and flash and north star running all around the place and a baked martian manhunter. Storm easily takes out hawk girl, she sucks her up in a tornado than hit her with a set of lightning, end of fight.
Now she goes and assist colossus with wonderwomen because wonderwomen is slaughter colossus but because of his durability he is still standing, storm hits her with lightning numerous of times, while colossus starts to get the upper hand, punching her in the face, storm continues to hit her with lightning but wonderwomen aint falling due to her pride, she slaps colossus out of the way and flies toward storm but while in flight she looks down and sees batman seriously hurt and she press her attack toward storm blocking the lightning with her bracelet. On the ground colossus and wolverine are get set up for the fast ball special and he slashes a big hole in the back of wonder women back taking her out of the fight.
while that fight took place you still have northstar and flash fighting and superman trying to think of a way to get past cannonball force field and cannon ball enjoying the fight and absorbing everything superman throws at him and hitting him back with it. You have green lantern down, hawk girl down, wonderwomen down, aquaman down, batman needing medical attention.
Rachel telekinetically stop flash in his tracks and it ends with colossus laying a powerful blow to the back of the head. Then we have the lone superman still facing cannonball but with his super sense he hears people floating around him and joseph with his horrible attitude gives superman a warning saying if you dont want to die today i advise you to take your team and get as far away as possible or i would make every drop of your blood leak out of you a**.
Superman grabs his team members and fly off.
What you all dont get is that the xmen trains everyday of their life and yes the jla are powerful but the xmen are filled with killers and they are also powerful.
Superman aint throwing no cannonball in space, cannonball has so many ways of avoiding that, read the bio i posted and if he did throw him in space he could just fly back because he has visited space before. Colossus can stand up to wonder women with no problem, you all hype up superman. I read his comics and from what i have seen the guy isnt even invulnerable anymore.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Phew. Some people have come round. 😄Listen, Derrik.
People aren't saying that JLA would win, because they hate Marvel. Or because they haven't read any Marvel.
They're saying it because the JLA members are more powerful than the X-Men characters. Let me give you some scenarios of how Superman alone could defeat the X-Men.
Cannonball - would be destroyed in the first split second before he started moving and becomes invulnerable.
Rachel - dead a tiny split second after so that her TP doesn't come into play.
Joseph - dead at the same time as Rachel - whilst Supes squashes Rachel with one hand, he burns Joseph's brains out with a blast of heat vision.
Now there isn't anyone worthy enough to fight Supes, he can just pick them off as he pleases.
Collosus - Nice blast of ice breath to freeze him cold, then some burning fire from Supes eyes. Instant shattered Collosus.
Wolverine - don't make me laugh.
Storm - ditto.
Iceman - there's nothing Iceman can do to Supes - Supes insides are protected by his forcefield too. No amount of ice will trap someone with the awesome strength of Superman. Supes evaporates Iceman with heat vision, sucks him into his superlungs, flies into space and breathes him into the void.
Northstar - dunno how Supes could catch him. But there's bugger all that he could do to the man of steel.
Now you've gotta consider that there are more than just Superman in the JLA. So Supes can just concentrate on one or two key people on the X-Men and let Flash or MM take care of some too.
This is a walkover and not at all as close as you think Derrik.
this is the most stupidest battle strategy i have read my entire life, read more comics.
oh and ZephroCarnelian i could list some ways that iceman could take supes by himself....ok one way but still, hed be a worthy opponent if he actually used all his powers.....oh the way he could take him is by using his moisture inversion thing which places his concious in water vapor, basically invisible even to supes vision cuz water vapor is always in the air, then he moisture inversion supes head off.....i think supes would be dead from that.....but since this is a team thing, JLA wins because of telepaths and/or just Flash speed stealing
Originally posted by Blair Wind
oh and ZephroCarnelian i could list some ways that iceman could take supes by himself....ok one way but still, hed be a worthy opponent if he actually used all his powers.....oh the way he could take him is by using his moisture inversion thing which places his concious in water vapor, basically invisible even to supes vision cuz water vapor is always in the air, then he moisture inversion supes head off.....i think supes would be dead from that.....but since this is a team thing, JLA wins because of telepaths and/or just Flash speed stealing
i didnt even use ice man in the battle i made i actually didnt see a use for him since he is so powerful. He could just ice aquaman and batman up and freeze the blood in wonderwomen and then freeze hawk girl wings then absorb the water in the sewers becoming a 100 ft tall and fist fighting the rest. Rachel is a great telepath herself, did you forget about that.
lets put it like this, the jla had a hard time with the week version of the xmen, bishop was giving green lantern a run for his money and jean grey was man handling superman.
Thats the week version, imagine what the aid of joseph and wolverine wasnt even there, the reason why was because one of the jla member would have died and colossus wasnt there. It was just jean grey, ice man before he know how to use his powers at full potential, cyclops, young cannonball, and bishop, hmmm, makes you wonder.
Superman has no way of beating cannonball get it thru your heads. Cannonball can just stand there and absorb superman best shots and send it back to him. Superman does not speed blitz in comics, if he does give me the name of the book and the #; He should have speed blitz that guy that shot him in the head with that kryptonite bullet.
You just don't seem to understand that the fight doesn't go like this:
Superman: "Okay, Flash, you fight Northstar, Wonder Woman, you take out Colossus and such."
You have put them in positions where their powers are not in their best use. How about that Green Latern takes out Cannonbal by putting an forcefield in his brain? How about that Flash take Cannonball out before he can fly? How about Martian Manhunter taking Cannonball down with telepathic attack?
Lets put it like this aquaman loves physical confrontation, that would be his downfall once he faces wolverine, wolverine would just start slacking away at aquaman like no tomorrow, aquaman strength isnt going to work and that hook that he has no his hand aint going to do nothing. If wolverine can take down namor, he wont have no problem with aquaman.
Nono, lets put it like this. Aquaman grabs Wolverine from his throat. Throws him in Boston. Problem solved.
Or how about that Aquaman take Wolverine down with psychic blast?
Aquaman is as experienced as Namor is (He was created only two years after Namor) stronger then Namor is, and has telepathy, unlike Namor does.
Wolverine will go down hard. Stop being an stupid fanboy and understand it.
When i brought up colossus i didnt say that he could beat superman i said that he could last a while but disregard that, superman would be to busy with cannonball (adult version) and colossus will be man handling wonder women. Rachel is just to much for mm, she has plenty of fire in her disposal, the girl has a portion of the phoenix force, mm doesnt compare to that kind of power, i say she burns him to a crisp and put a psychic block while doing so.
MM doesn't have the fire weakness anymore. Rachel is inexperienced, MM can take her out either psychically or with telepathy. MM has all the telepathy knowledge of entire race that has lived an millenia, don't tell me that he will lose an psychic battle with Rachel. And Superman would not be busy with Cannonball. He was taken out by Flash before he could start flying.
Colossus can stand up to Wonder Woman? He will be MANHANDLING HER? Oh, you are such an idiot. Lets see. Colossus can lift about 100 tons.
Wonder Woman can lift about 250, 000 tons. She is more experienced the Colossus is, faster, has bracelets that can block every hit that Colossus can do, has unbreakable lasso that even Colossus can't be freed from. Oh and she can fly.
Do the math.
Green lantern and joseph; green lantern might have the most powerful weopon in the universe but he does possess blood and he eats lot of iron. Joseph would just make all of his blood leak out of his nose and mouth while he has his force field up the entire time.
Joseph controls the blood in humans by affecting it psychically. Psychical intrusions are blocked by Green Latern's forcefields. You should really study these characters before writing something.
Then north star and flash would be just running all over the place but north star has additional powers besides moving the speed of light, he shoot light beams out of his hands and has enhanced strength and durability. I think it would be a great fight, quicksilver gave a good fight and north star is 1000's of time faster than him.
Flash will steal Northstar's speed. He will then beat Northstar into submission. There.
Now you have superman still fighting cannonball seeing that he cant cause this guy NO KIND OF HARM. you have wonder women fighting colossus and aquaman laid out because of the multiple of stab wounds he has and batman facing a furious wolverine, joseph looking for someone to throw a semi trunk on top of and storm and hawk girl going at it and flash and north star running all around the place and a baked martian manhunter. Storm easily takes out hawk girl, she sucks her up in a tornado than hit her with a set of lightning, end of fight.
Cannonball was taken out by Flash, GL, or MM. Colossus was taken out by WW in mere seconds. Wolverine is currently being in Boston where sick hobos use his unconscious body as an plaything. Joseph is dead. Storm is taken out by Superman, or any other League member besides Hawkman and Batman.
Now she goes and assist colossus with wonderwomen because wonderwomen is slaughter colossus but because of his durability he is still standing, storm hits her with lightning numerous of times, while colossus starts to get the upper hand, punching her in the face, storm continues to hit her with lightning but wonderwomen aint falling due to her pride, she slaps colossus out of the way and flies toward storm but while in flight she looks down and sees batman seriously hurt and she press her attack toward storm blocking the lightning with her bracelet. On the ground colossus and wolverine are get set up for the fast ball special and he slashes a big hole in the back of wonder women back taking her out of the fight.
Wait, Superman has beat Storm to death with her own hands, Wolverine is still being tortured in Boston, and Colossus head resides in Moon where Wonder Woman threw it. I don't understand your strategy.
while that fight took place you still have northstar and flash fighting and superman trying to think of a way to get past cannonball force field and cannon ball enjoying the fight and absorbing everything superman throws at him and hitting him back with it. You have green lantern down, hawk girl down, wonderwomen down, aquaman down, batman needing medical attention.
Northstar has continually been bleeding to death as Flash retrieved an saw from other side of the world and cut his arms away with it when he was still frozen. Cannonball's head has been exploded by beach-ball sized force field.
Rachel telekinetically stop flash in his tracks and it ends with colossus laying a powerful blow to the back of the head. Then we have the lone superman still facing cannonball but with his super sense he hears people floating around him and joseph with his horrible attitude gives superman a warning saying if you dont want to die today i advise you to take your team and get as far away as possible or i would make every drop of your blood leak out of you a**.
All the X-Men you just mentioned were killed in few minutes...
You have Storm down, Northstar down, Rachel down, Colossus down, Wolverine down and Joseph down. What do we have left?
Iceman.
Iceman VS JLA.
It is going to be an short fight.
Oh yeah, I forgot, Iceman was taken out by Superman seconds ago.
You should really read other comics then Wolverine and the X-Men.
Re: x-men vs jla best line up
Originally posted by derrick24
I have seen people pit these combatants together but they did a horrible job. This is my list.Jla
Superman
wonderwomen
martian manhunter
aquaman
hawkgirl
flash
green lantern
batmanx-men
Colossus
wolverine
storm
joseph (magneto clone)
cannonball (adult version, that absorbs kinetic energy)
rachel
iceman
northstar (moves at lightspeed)who would win.
ummmm you DID use iceman.....what are you talking about???
and DarkCrawler i like the sig.....it just seems right at a moment like this
Originally posted by derrick24
lets put it like this, the jla had a hard time with the week version of the xmen, bishop was giving green lantern a run for his money and jean grey was man handling superman.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Let's put it like this. Company crossovers aren't canon. Period. The events that took place in said crossovers did not actually happen in DC/Marvel universes.
actually with that being one of the Access stories it may count as canon
although it was kinda stupid... they had a weak X-team against an almost fully powered JLA.... and they didn't get their heads handed to them..... = stupid