I dont really have a top 5 or 10, i mean, it's near impossible to come up with a grand list of the most powerful force-users (Believe me - i've tried it!) as much as some people enjoy comparing them, there is little we know about some of the EU force-users to even compare them to the movie force-users. I dunno, it seems kinda lame to rate a comic book character you know nothing about, above a movie character wouldnt you say?
Originally posted by Sith DudeWow, just horrible logic you have
1) Luke, Sidious, Yoda (since Lucasarts says so lol)
2) Marka Ragnos, Nihilus
3) Revan, Darth Traya
4) Exar Kun
5) Tulak Hord, SionThe number ones are already explained, Marka Ragnos held enough power to scare the shit outve Ludo Kressh, Naga Sadow and countless other sith lords, Nihilus can drain the life out've anyone. Traya probably has more knowlage of the force then anyone. I guess everyone knows why revans there, same with Exar Kun. Tulak Hord was the best lightsaber master of all time (so says Traya), and many people have forgotten to include Sion, but being immortal is a pretty cool skill.
Okay just one question. For determining power are you trying to judge who can kick whose ass or accomplishing the goals of the Sith and Jedi.
1) Revan/Luke- They each have an innate understanding of the force. They also each understand the light and dark sides of the force and can use both with extreme skill. In terms of lightsaber competence they are nearly in a class of their own. Revan kills/ defeats ridiculous amounts of jedi while Luke is capable of fighting hundreds of Vong Slayers when Kyp Duran fails to kill just one, defeating the lord of the Vong while being severely poisoned, defeating his father after a very short period of training time .
2) The Exile- I don't know about everyone else but the ability to master skills after taking just a glance at them is something terrifying indeed.
3)Darth Bane- Strong smart talented. This guy knew his stuff. Created the rule of Two. Had an armor that was constantly torturing him and used it to make himself stronger. Could create storms of foce lightning and waves of destruction to destroy the landscape around him. He was also said to be a master with a lightsaber.
4)Darth Plagueis- In a fight I am not sure of his capabilities but the ability to create life from the midichlorians around him is something to be feared. He was also the closest to obtaining eternal life out of any jedi or sith and perhaps had the greatest understanding of the dark side of the force or even the force in general than any other.
5) Tulak Hord- Said to be among the greatest swordsmen in history. He is honored and respected with a tomb on the sith Homeworld and when the Sith respect someone that much they definitely earned that respect.
I hold Marka Ragnos outside the list simply because there is not enough information about him to form a solid opinion about him. Without a doubt he could quite easily take the top of the list then again so could the leaders of the Infinite Empire when the Rakata were still capable of wielding the force.
Originally posted by Uriel005One of the few times a thread is bumped for legitimate reasons.
Okay just one question. For determining power are you trying to judge who can kick whose ass or accomplishing the goals of the Sith and Jedi.1) Revan/Luke- They each have an innate understanding of the force. They also each understand the light and dark sides of the force and can use both with extreme skill. In terms of lightsaber competence they are nearly in a class of their own. Revan kills/ defeats ridiculous amounts of jedi while Luke is capable of fighting hundreds of Vong Slayers when Kyp Duran fails to kill just one, defeating the lord of the Vong while being severely poisoned, defeating his father after a very short period of training time .
2) The Exile- I don't know about everyone else but the ability to master skills after taking just a glance at them is something terrifying indeed.
3)Darth Bane- Strong smart talented. This guy knew his stuff. Created the rule of Two. Had an armor that was constantly torturing him and used it to make himself stronger. Could create storms of foce lightning and waves of destruction to destroy the landscape around him. He was also said to be a master with a lightsaber.
4)Darth Plagueis- In a fight I am not sure of his capabilities but the ability to create life from the midichlorians around him is something to be feared. He was also the closest to obtaining eternal life out of any jedi or sith and perhaps had the greatest understanding of the dark side of the force or even the force in general than any other.
5) Tulak Hord- Said to be among the greatest swordsmen in history. He is honored and respected with a tomb on the sith Homeworld and when the Sith respect someone that much they definitely earned that respect.
I hold Marka Ragnos outside the list simply because there is not enough information about him to form a solid opinion about him. Without a doubt he could quite easily take the top of the list then again so could the leaders of the Infinite Empire when the Rakata were still capable of wielding the force.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that you found this sight through a search of KotOR on Google, you're choices of #1, #2 and #5 say so.
Luke is right where he belongs in #1.
Revan and the Exile wouldn't be on this list. As far as we know there's nothing to use as a gauge of their prowess in use of the Force--everything revolves around the mechanics of gameplay.
Bane can be on there, though I don't think he merits 3rd place.
Plagueis is a contender for the single most ambiguous character in the entire Star Wars mythos. He doesn't belong anywhere on this list.
Same goes for Tulak Hord. He's quite the unknown. "Said to be" a remarkable swordsmen, and a tomb on Korriban is not an indication of power.
Marka Ragnos is another toughy. He's got the problematic title of "Unchallenged Century-Long Dark Lord," but his feats and abilities are scarcely mentioned.
You're place for Luke is fine, but members of this forum would advise you scrap the rest (sans Bane [maybe]) and refill the spots with the likes of Palpatine, Caedus, and...ugh, someone's gonna say Nihilus.
Great Vengeance will be along in a minute to defend Revan's rightful place as #2.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
If he is, I'm putting my head up your ass.
Woah, man. Slow down. It's Gideon whose hole is large enough to accommodate your head. Mine? Nowhere near that size.
And uh, Nihilus is cool because he's a nihilist. I like his whole, "I don't give a ****, I do what I want" philosophy. And he's got the power to back it up. Plus, he's a tragic character because he has a very large flaw (being a slave to his own power).
Makes for a compelling villian. I hope the KOTOR comics will expand more on his relationship with Visas eventually. I found that human element very endearing.
Originally posted by EnyalusLOL chill man, was just joking. This is going to get into my profile.
Woah, man. Slow down. It's Gideon whose hole is large enough to accommodate your head. Mine? Nowhere near that size.
Originally posted by EnyalusWell, after thinking about it, nihilus does have a lot of potential to be a very compelling character, of how he became a slave to his own power or what he was before he hid behind the mask but balls to obsidian for not giving him a backstory.
And uh, Nihilus is cool because he's a nihilist. I like his whole, "I don't give a ****, I do what I want" philosophy. And he's got the power to back it up. Plus, he's a tragic character because he has a very large flaw (being a slave to his own power).Makes for a compelling villian. I hope the KOTOR comics will expand more on his relationship with Visas eventually. I found that human element very endearing.
Btw, what made you think he might be lucien? And do you think haazen could be sion?
I'll admit it, i used to be a hardcore fanwanking fanboy of nihilus and always tried to argue he >>>> sidious, but that has changed quite a bit since the last time.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Haazen is almost certainly Sion. I have no clue who Nihilus is, really. Zayne would make the most sense, with his "unique relationship with the Force"....but he's too soft to play Nihilus at the moment. Others think it might be Lucien, but he hasn't done anything to indicate it.
I thought nihilus was black 🙄
Also vaders the biggest racist crusader in star wars, he is a white guy pretending to be black in a black suit killing white people.
Anyways, i wouldn't bother if zayne from a weakling became one of the most powerful sith lords ever(nihilus). To me its more interesting and epic that way. Just like how arnold, from being one of the scrawniest kid, became a 7 time mr olympia bodybuilding champion.