Euro-constitution

They're saying on Tv that the French said "non" to it.

And our stupid govermant of course says that we should vote for it....so then we can change it. for me it make no sense.

anyway...
i'd like to know why is it such a big deal.
i know that the constitution is the most important law etc...but if every country has their own..why to make a new one?

Its not really a constitution, I hate the name.

Its basic a set of agreements, most of them that were already made a long time ago thrown into one big treaty with some new stuff in it. It is supposed to make Europe more powerful, more democratic, clearer to the people so that they can see what will happen and make it easier for Europe to make decisions together.

France did say no, the Netherlands the country I live in will probably say no, and if England has a referendum they will probably say no. None of these country's however deal with the things in the constitution. France had a few people that were against it for good reasons, none that imo weighed up to the advantages but okay thats an opinion. Most people however voted no out of protest.

The same will happen in this country, people are pissed off at the government. Never mind the fact that 9 old prime ministers from all different party's have said its a good thing. Lets just forget that Wim Duisenberg, a great former European bank and Dutch bank president has said that its a good. Never mind the fact that most of the bigger party's in this country are for the constitution just like in France and England.

That all doesn't matter people don't like the government so they vote No. They should read up and make their decision on that.

Sorry for the rant just had to get that out its really annoying me.

I don't like the constitution too much, too liberal, but I think it is very necessairy for europe so I would vote yes.

I agree with Fishy tons of people vote no for the wrong reasons.

Originally posted by Fire
I don't like the constitution too much, too liberal, but I think it is very necessairy for europe so I would vote yes.

I agree with Fishy tons of people vote no for the wrong reasons.

I'm not really a big fan of the thing either, but its necessary...

And what do you mean with Liberal? The American definition/left win or the well at least dutch definition/ more right wing?

well who cares now anyways...the french decided they don't want it...so well we won't get it whatever people vote (by the way in Germany the Parlament voted not the people)

Finland said yes.

Same in belgium, I still think it's important to the EU to continue this Bardock

Hardly matters now, country's still place importance in it because they can see what the people think and what they should change next time. If whats in the constitution even matters in the first place.

France its no however means that somethings will have to be changed ...Probably minimal and if all country's will just say No to a referendum and let the government decide then the next constitution will be accepted and all those problems will be over

the constitution is too liberal, should have been more social so I'm glad at least one (who had the chance to vote) country voted no... eventhough it was for the wrong reasons

Yea, chances are like that Fishy, but those minimal changes and stuff will set us back for some years. This is truly sad.

Well leaders should realize that the outcome of these referrenda has very little to do with the actual constitution

Originally posted by yerssot
the constitution is too liberal, should have been more social so I'm glad at least one (who had the chance to vote) country voted no... eventhough it was for the wrong reasons

Where did you get that from?

Originally posted by Fire
Yea, chances are like that Fishy, but those minimal changes and stuff will set us back for some years. This is truly sad.

Well leaders should realize that the outcome of these referrenda has very little to do with the actual constitution

Yeah they will, its really a shame that it happened like that, but well what are you going to do?

Originally posted by Fishy
Where did you get that from?

Originally posted by yerssot
the magic ability of reading 😉😛

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Well opinions differ...

I actually do think although far from perfect the European constitution will help all party's involved.

And even if I didn't I still wouldn't agree with what the French did and what the Dutch are probably going to do. If you are voting for the wrong reasons then you might be doing things you don't want to do.. Ignorant bastards

at least they can go and vote, in other countries you can't even do that

and I think the constitution should be right from the first time and not years later

depends on what one calls right 😛

I think the EU will always have a very liberal constitution, cause tons of liberal ideas are inherent to the EU.

but why does it have to have a constitution? cry

Well actually it wouldn't be that necessary. They could just take those articles and poor it into treaties. Which would also have to be ratified and carried out. but the thing is a constitution would be a great symbol for European unity all over the world.

Originally posted by Fire
Same in belgium, I still think it's important to the EU to continue this Bardock

It doesn't matter who votes what now because the politicians will just take it in their hands and do whatever they want.

Well I personally believe Europe always has been a very liberal place, and I personally think that it is the best way anyways. I guess social ideas are to some extend ok but if they go to far (Ulike in germany) they just screw your economy and make your country weak and poor.

i think it sounds like a good idea to have the same basic laws and rights in every country. that way everyone knows the boundaries... especially people passing through.... like backpackers and tourists and stuff. I mean they shouldnt cater to tourists, but it does keep things easier by keeping them out of jail