What does it take to go to hell?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Temple, temple temple....according to scripture..there will be no "sacrafices to cease" if there isn't a temple....and where is it supposed to be????...Where the Dome of the rock is!!!!!!.....WON'T NEVER EVER HAPPEN....That means no peace treaty to break in the middle of the 7 year tribulation....means no antichrist to make a peace treaty.....Nope!!!

somebody knows something then because all the temple artifacts have been made already , and all that is lacking is the ashes from the pure red heifer , which they have been paying to have cloned , and havent gotten a pure one yet , but thats all they a re waiting on, i got this from a article in israel . Granted they are still arguing over the temple area but the antichrist to come is supposed to be able to nake the treaty happen , so some kind of consolation would be given to either party that would relinquish for peace . im watching to see what happens over the next years.

Originally posted by sonnet
.Then in 1967 the Jew took Jerusalem back, a fulfillment of prophecies written hundreds of years earlier.

Yeah, that's the scripture that has to do with the fig tree mentioned in scripture...fig tree is only interrupted as Israel....

Originally posted by sonnet
Even Daniel is full of accurate prophecies about Israel's history and even Alexandre the Great that was fulfilled.

The huge statue in the dream...meaning different kingdoms, and the the feet were made of clay and iron, meaning nations that were part weak and strong...which some feel that is speaking of our time in history....There are other interpretations of that also...more historical ones.

Same as with the Beast with the 7 heads, 10 horns and one was different then the rest, and that horn spoke as a man and said blasphemous things...that some consider to be a different type kingdom (Pope or false religion)...Also the kingdom sat on 7 hills...some think that is Rome.

And then there is the one world government, one world currency(considered by some to do with the mark of the beast), one world religion instill by the Antichrist....But these are only interpretations of some scripture...No where have I read any of these things, but it is morning here...maybe I have brain fog... 😄

I mean the one world gov., currency, and religion is no where in scripture...And the beheadings....well, who would behead anyone today?.....It's historical...

The scriptures that say their skin melted off their bodies and eyes melted in their sockets....some mean it to say..Nuclear war...

Originally posted by mysparrow
somebody knows something then because all the temple artifacts have been made already , and all that is lacking is the ashes from the pure red heifer , which they have been paying to have cloned , and havent gotten a pure one yet , but thats all they a re waiting on, i got this from a article in israel . Granted they are still arguing over the temple area but the antichrist to come is supposed to be able to nake the treaty happen , so some kind of consolation would be given to either party that would relinquish for peace . im watching to see what happens over the next years.

They been looking for that Red Heifer for ever...but still for naught, if no temple..... 😄

If you look at the verses that have to do with that peace treaty, you'll see it say "CONFIRM" a treaty...not "MAKE" a peace treaty...It was also historical...Confirm means something that was already in place, but is now confirmed.

Once again you twist my words around.

found a church which happens to be a pentacostle church which I visit often for the reasons I already gave Debbiejo

original posted by Sonnet
I am going to a pentacostle church. There are many different ones in South Africa, some with very weird "rituals" and beliefs which are not scriptural. I have been to many different churches but left because the pastors all had this "vision" for their churches which involved people giving alot of money and every Sunday they preached about money and how God wants us to sow (money) into His vision for the church. And then the pastor got a new car and a new house and went on expensive vacations..... get the picture??

Originally posted by finti
you said you visited a pentacosle church then you went on about coruptness of churches you visited, no reason whatsoever for why you chose the pentacostle one please feel free to point out where YOUR reasons for attending the pentacostle is

And you assumed I only visited pentacostle churches all my life?

I do recall giving you my reason in a quote not long ago probably on this or the previous page.

Originally posted by sonnet
Exactly!!! That is why I have said so many times already that I am not a follower of a church but of the scriptures. Church for me is a place to worship ( which I also do at home) and to have fellowship with other christians.

so if it is for fellowship why does it matter what the pastor does and how nice his car is

The fellowship is taken from Pauls teachings...A gnostic.

However Sonnet, do you base your belief on Acts 2:38?.....the day of Pentecost?...And revolves around the Holy Spirit?..

that you must be baptised in Jesus name to receive the Holy Spirit?

Originally posted by finti
so if it is for fellowship why does it matter what the pastor does and how nice his car is

Originally posted by debbiejo
The fellowship is taken from Pauls teachings...A gnostic.

However Sonnet, do you base your belief on Acts 2:38?.....the day of Pentecost?...And revolves around the Holy Spirit?..

that you must be baptised in Jesus name to receive the Holy Spirit?

Originally posted by sonnet
. Babtism of the Holy Spirit is different and can only happen after you are born again, that is were many people speak in tongs. It is a manifestation of God through the Holy Spirit in a human being. John the babtist also spoke of the Holy spirit when he said " I babtise with water, ....but He(Jesus) will babtise with the Holy Spirit (also spoken of as fire in many scriptures).

Is speaking in tongues a sign of having the holy spirit then?

Why are you so interested in why I go to church? To you it is a waste of time. And right now you are wasting my time trying to set me up with trick questions

Originally posted by finti
why are you so reluctant to answer?.......and there aint no trick question here unless you are paranoid

What do you mean by that? 😕

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Originally posted by debbiejo
Is speaking in tongues a sign of having the holy spirit then?

Originally posted by finti
why are you so reluctant to answer?.......and there aint no trick question here unless you are paranoid

Originally posted by sonnet
The Bible says that through the Holy Spirit we have all received different gifts of the Spirit, some prophecy, some healing through the laying on of hands, some interpretation of prophecy and some speaking in other (heavenly) tongs. The gifts can only work when the Holy Spirit works(manifests) through you or annoints you. There are people who speak in tongs once or twice and then there are people who speak in tongs every day because that is the specific gift they received through the babtism. The Bible says that speaking in tongs are a sign, of the Holy Sprit working in us, unto the unbelievers. I Cor 14:22, 1 Cor 12:1-11 and 1 Cor 14:2,14

And my gifts are Knowledge, and mercy...Hmmmmm...yet didn't lose them.....
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Originally posted by sonnet
The Bible says that through the Holy Spirit we have all received different gifts of the Spirit, some prophecy, some healing through the laying on of hands, some interpretation of prophecy and some speaking in other (heavenly) tongs. The gifts can only work when the Holy Spirit works(manifests) through you or annoints you. There are people who speak in tongs once or twice and then there are people who speak in tongs every day because that is the specific gift they received through the babtism. The Bible says that speaking in tongs are a sign, of the Holy Sprit working in us, unto the unbelievers. I Cor 14:22, 1 Cor 12:1-11 and 1 Cor 14:2,14

The bible is just a book. There have been so many translations and changes to the bible that the original intent has been lost. It is up to us now to interpret the words. Please try not to hurt other people when you interpret.

You know the whole speaking in tongues is taken out of context in that Bible story now........It was meant at the time that many different languages lived together, so they were speaking in the different languages so that the other nationalities could understand...THAT'S IT!

Today, it would make NO sense because if you are in an ALL ENGLISH speaking church, why mess it up with CONFUSION (confusion is from the devil remember?).....Now lets say there was one German family in that congregation visiting...well then they might hear it in German, or someone might have a message spoken in German.......Otherwise someone speaking including the interrupter would have no idea what was really, if anything real at all.....And it would confuse the congregation...So, whos to say what's being said....confusion.....

Originally posted by debbiejo
You know the whole speaking in tongues is taken out of context in that Bible story now........It was meant at the time that many different languages lived together, so they were speaking in the different languages so that the other nationalities could understand...THAT'S IT!

:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

: 13 Wherefor let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. (Thus interpretation also comes through the spirit and not human understanding - it is also a spiritual gift, the gift of interpretation.)

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. According to these scriptures the Holy Sprirt gave these men the ability to speak in different human languages so that all gathered there could understand the gospel.
There is thus clearly a difference between a unknown tongue (as in scriptures in book of Corinthians) and other tongues(languages) as used in Acts.

When people speak in tongues in a church the Bible says that person' spirit is speaking to God. It is of no relevance to other people. When a person prophecy in a unknown tongue then the Holy Spirit will give the interpretation through the spirit of either that person or another with the gift so that the message is known to all in the church. This is a very regular occurance in pentacostle churches and is no cause of chaos because we know what is going on.