Wolverine vs The Thing

............so tony your just going to ignore the fact that Logan has taken thunder claps and been uneffecte?

Your going to ignore the fact that Logan has taken punches from 100 cass guys and was not Ko even after many hits?

Your gunna ignore the fact that Thing has failed to Ko Logan before.

Your just gunna ignore the fact Logan was stated as dazed and that was before to massive healing factor upgrades.

Your just gunna ignore the fact Logan far faster, far more agikle far beter reflexes and far greater fighting skill which will allow him to get not only the first strike, but hit ben far more times then vice evrsa.

so in all your simply going to ignore evidence becuazse your bias?

how sweet.

Oh and the reason the shot to the shoulder took him out si becuase there a massive nerve cluster there which logans claws pierced............

Please lets just take this to the battle zone im sick of listining to your crap.

You will lose I garentee it. Hell you can have masterbruce help you.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
............so tony your just going to ignore the fact that Logan has taken thunder claps and been uneffecte?

Your going to ignore the fact that Logan has taken punches from 100 cass guys and was not Ko even after many hits?

Your gunna ignore the fact that Thing has failed to Ko Logan before.

Your just gunna ignore the fact Logan was stated as dazed and that was before to massive healing factor upgrades.

Your just gunna ignore the fact Logan far faster, far more agikle far beter reflexes and far greater fighting skill which will allow him to get not only the first strike, but hit ben far more times then vice evrsa.

so in all your simply going to ignore evidence becuazse your bias?

how sweet.

Oh and the reason the shot to the shoulder took him out si becuase there a massive nerve cluster there which logans claws pierced............

Please lets just take this to the battle zone im sick of listining to your crap.

You will lose I garentee it. Hell you can have masterbruce help you.

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You use the same tired reasoning's... are you saying Ben did or didn't KO Wolverine?

We'll just use your logic... That claw swipe to the face and the stab to the shoulder happened way before the massive upgrades in strength, durability,endurance and agility that the current Ben has received.

During his continued mutations and the evolving of his persons and his powers. And it's because of those mutations along with Ben's continued vigorous work out sessions per Reeds unworldly equipment and his continued learnings of numerous martial arts and h2h trainings.

And with his continued honing of those said arts and trainings that Wolverine probably wouldn't be able to do those types of things to Ben again.

While with those fore mentioned massive strength,durability,endurance, and agility upgrades Ben currently has he would be able to do much more severe damage to wolverine and would be able to KO him even quicker than he has in the past. Which of course he has.

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P.S. And please Battlehammer start using your spellcheck on your posts it almosts hurts while reading them.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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You use the same tired reasoning's... are you saying Ben did or didn't KO Wolverine?

We'll just use your logic... That claw swipe to the face and the stab to the shoulder happened way before the massive upgrades in strength, durability,endurance and agility that the current Ben has received.

During his continued mutations and the evolving of his persons and his powers. And it's because of those mutations along with Ben's continued vigorous work out sessions per Reeds unworldly equipment and his continued learnings of numerous martial arts and h2h trainings.

And with his continued honing of those said arts and trainings that Wolverine probably wouldn't be able to do those types of things to Ben again.

While with those fore mentioned massive strength,durability,endurance, and agility upgrades Ben currently has he would be able to do much more severe damage to wolverine and would be able to KO him even quicker than he has in the past. Which of course he has.

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P.S. And please Battlehammer start using your spellcheck on your posts it almosts hurts while reading them.

Your lack of knowledge on your favourite comic book character hurts my eyes while reading your posts.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
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You use the same tired reasoning's... are you saying Ben did or didn't KO Wolverine?

This is also minority showing. Logan has shown in two other occassions to take things hits and keep comming.

This is also prior to massive up grades to wolverines healing factor.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
:We'll just use your logic... That claw swipe to the face and the stab to the shoulder happened way before the massive upgrades in strength, durability,endurance and agility that the current Ben has received.

During his continued mutations and the evolving of his persons and his powers. And it's because of those mutations along with Ben's continued vigorous work out sessions per Reeds unworldly equipment and his continued learnings of numerous martial arts and h2h trainings.

And with his continued honing of those said arts and trainings that Wolverine probably wouldn't be able to do those types of things to Ben again.

While with those fore mentioned massive strength,durability,endurance, and agility upgrades Ben currently has he would be able to do much more severe damage to wolverine and would be able to KO him even quicker than he has in the past. Which of course he has.

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P.S. And please Battlehammer start using your spellcheck on your posts it almosts hurts while reading them.

This is some of the biggest load of crap I have ever heard.

First of all can you prove anything from your post?

Please i love for you to prove that thing has gotten upgraded agility,endurence and durability.

I would also love for you to prove that thing has learned more martial arts, becuase your full of crap.

Your post is one big load of BS after another and I love to see you prove your post correct with evidence.

Not to mention none of these so called upgrades thing got would stop him from being stabbed.

He would need a huge reflex upgrade to suport such an arguement.

SO untill I see you prove these so called upgrades Ben got since enemy of the state then your simply full of shit and are a liar

Originally posted by Jyppe
Your lack of knowledge on your favourite comic book character hurts my eyes while reading your posts.

Since I promised not to antagonize anymore I will just post a durfist.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Prove to me that per the using proportions, perspective, and the horizon line you can inequitably tell me how far apart they were...You can't point is mute. Your reasoning is shot down and so are you.

Like I said, you don't know the first thing about it.. you don't have to be an expert with proportions to be able to tell that Wolverine's slightly less than twice the height of Thing if that.. The distance being proportionate would imply that Wolverine is only about two to thee times his own height at most away from Thing.. that's within 20 feet.. cetainly not outside of 100 as you Wolverine's haters are attempting to insinuate..

Originally posted by Tony Stark
It depends on if Wolverine hits anything after Ben thunderclaps him or continues to sail through the air, how soon Ben can take advantage of it with an immediate attack. Shot down.

Shot down? Hardly..

It really doesn't matter how far Logan goes "sailing" as you put it... Logan didn't go sailing in the one solitary instance that a thunderclap DID affect him whatsoever. Hulk was right there next to him and he STILL missed with his fallow up. Once again, he missed.. Thing isn't gonna fair better.
Thing doesn't casually snatch Spiderman out of the air and smack green goblin with his body... Hulk's faster and he still missed.. and he STILL got Ca-RUSHED after he DID use a thunderclap.. how you think that Thing will fair better is clearly beyond any stream of logical thought process thatisn't hinging on a major bias.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Logan's healing factor has been boosted to far greater geometric extents than Things strength.. Prove it. Nope can't. Shot down.

That's simple.. Prof X himself stated that What may have been fatal to Wolverine years ago is now nothing more than a momentary annoyance.. It's clear that Wolverine's healing factor is over 2 times in the LEAST better than it used to be.. is Things strength two times greater? Nope... 😐

Originally posted by Tony Stark
All that scan and the one from the previous page show is that Wolverine "DAZED" his shoulder and arm when being hurled into Ben and that Ben KO'd Wolverine with a BONK on the head. Shot down.

The scan discredits itself.. Nuff said, it flat out states that Thing wouldn't be able to reproduce the same feat if Logan wasn't already messed up from the initial impact... And how do we kow that Reed wasn't just full o it? Also simple... Logan's proven it three times since then.. 😐
And he's proven it against characters stronger than Thing even more times than that... If you'reseriously trying to argue that thing can and will legitimately knock Wolverine out with a bonk to the head nowdays in a forum fight without that helpful circumstance and in spite of evidence.. then you're a fact-omiting miscreant..

You can't seem to grasp in your head that Wolverine getting KOed from Thing-type punches isn't the standard.. but the owther way around.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
But what it would show was that you were either like Jim Carey an were an "over-actor" or that you were an extreme wuss. I'm tending to lean towards the latter.

Not really.. just that I have sensitive shins from multiple forms of shin conditioning and running a nice 40 miles a week.. but you want to think that I'm a wuss you go right ahead.. 🙄

Originally posted by Tony Stark
If Logan's within 6 feet of Ben, thunderclaps a none-issue.. Ohh.. I forgot that neither sound nor concussive forces works inside 6ft a being. 😛

Just that it's kinda proven not to work in Logan's case.. 😬

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Remember what I said in the past is that Ben would probably take some damage just nothing that would truly stop him "unlike" that Enemy of the State crap that portrays Ben being taken down for the count by being stabbed in the shoulder... 🤣 With all of the things that he's taken in the past... 🤣 It is truly laughable.

Truly is it?

Okay you show me where Thing's taken damage that went that deep in that same area and was fine from it, if you can't then you're waisting your time, and mine...

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Just like your continues debating of this fight. Let's make sure we get this straight if someone i.e. (Ben) who is CL100 which means CL100=200,000lbs+ being lifted over his head and if someone i.e. (Wolverine) can lift 900-1000 over his head, That would mean that Ben is over 200x stronger than Wolverine...Not 2x...not 20x...over 200x stronger than Wolverine. Not to mention that Ben is 3x bigger than Wolverine. So lets say that a 3 yr old girl (Wolverine) can lift 3lbs over her head and Mariusz Pudzianowski (Ben) can lift over 600lbs over his head. What are the chances that even if the little girl (Wolverine) got really mad and her adrenaline boosted her strength lvl 5x it's normal lvls that Mariusz Pudzianowski (Ben) couldn't control her hands and keep them still if he chose to or needed to. Answer is 0%. Hence Ben wins for the majority and your shot down.

Your analogy is completely Worthless.. it negates the advantages that Wolverine brings to that table that keep him from such a precarious position in the first place and directly places the benefit of the doubt into Ben's favor that he'll be able to get Logan there no problem...

If the little girl had knives that would easily cut through Mariusz, a major speed and agility advantage, and on top of that, an experience and skill advantage.... not to mention the sheer reach advantage that Logan brings to the table claws included...

Well see.. your analogy just falls apart when it's compared to the real thing.. 😬

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Take that Jim Carey or wuss you decide.

You're an idiot.. it's that simple.. either that or stone fu*k crazy....

There's not one solitary advantage Thing holds over Wolverine in a fight EXCEPT for strength.. and we know that a strength advantage over Logan just doesn't cut it.

You keep thinking that you're shooting down (valid) points, but all you're successful in doing is displaying your own ignorance, bias, and sheer stupidity when you have to result to calling me Jim Carry or a wuss when your argument alone can't cut it and you know your'e debating against simply logic.... the only thing that you've "shot down" is any single shred of credibility that you MIGHT have had before coming into this thread.... Though judging by the way you ...uhh "debate" I can gather it probably wasn't that much to begin with. 😐

Originally posted by Jyppe
Your lack of knowledge on your favourite comic book character hurts my eyes while reading your posts.

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Originally posted by Tony Stark
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You use the same tired reasoning's... are you saying Ben did or didn't KO Wolverine?

We'll just use your logic... That claw swipe to the face and the stab to the shoulder happened way before the massive upgrades in strength, durability,endurance and agility that the current Ben has received.

During his continued mutations and the evolving of his persons and his powers. And it's because of those mutations along with Ben's continued vigorous work out sessions per Reeds unworldly equipment and his continued learnings of numerous martial arts and h2h trainings.

And with his continued honing of those said arts and trainings that Wolverine probably wouldn't be able to do those types of things to Ben again.

While with those fore mentioned massive strength,durability,endurance, and agility upgrades Ben currently has he would be able to do much more severe damage to wolverine and would be able to KO him even quicker than he has in the past. Which of course he has.

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P.S. And please Battlehammer start using your spellcheck on your posts it almosts hurts while reading them.

Originally posted by jinzin

There's not one solitary advantage Thing holds over Wolverine in a fight EXCEPT for strength.. and we know that a strength advantage over Logan just doesn't cut it.

that's incorrect

Thing is

1. stronger

2. more durable (not overall, but initially)

3. size advantage...bigger is better in fights

4. and Thing has a bigger heart

Originally posted by masterbruce
that's incorrect

Thing is

1. stronger

2. more durable (not overall, but initially)

3. size advantage...bigger is better in fights

4. and Thing has a bigger heart

😂 I already said he was stronger...

More durable? I guess that depends on how ou view durability.. sure I suppose Thing's sheer durability is more solid than Logan's but Logan has higher amounts of damage soak...

Not when you've got an opponent who can one shot you, who's faster, smaller and more nimble...
just makes him more a target.

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sure he does..

Originally posted by jinzin

sure he does..

are you being sarcastic? Thing DOES have a bigger heart than Logan...that's almost like his trademark.

Originally posted by masterbruce
are you being sarcastic? Thing DOES have a bigger heart than Logan...that's almost like his trademark.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
bigger heart means what in a fight?

means he'll push himself harder in a fight...means that even if Logan cuts him painfully, he'll keep on

bigger heart means a lot in a fight...that's how underdogs win, cuz they have more heart. And Ben has the most heart.

Originally posted by masterbruce
means he'll push himself harder in a fight...means that even if Logan cuts him painfully, he'll keep on

bigger heart means a lot in a fight...that's how underdogs win, cuz they have more heart. And Ben has the most heart.

Game over for Ben.

End of debate.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
bigger heart means what in a fight?

Larger target?

Originally posted by masterbruce
means he'll push himself harder in a fight...means that even if Logan cuts him painfully, he'll keep on

bigger heart means a lot in a fight...that's how underdogs win, cuz they have more heart. And Ben has the most heart.

You're saying that Thng having more willpower will help him win?

Makes me think of the black knight from monty python and the holy grail... Though technically I haven't seen him exhibit this "heart" too often recently.

Originally posted by Creshosk

You're saying that Thng having more willpower will help him win?

yes. but I already said Logan takes majority.

Originally posted by jinzin
Even though the shoulder stab happened as little as two years ago?
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Question?

Are you capable of running your nice 40 miles a week easier today than it was for you 2.5 yrs ago. (assuming that you weren't doing 50 miles a week then) And how much easier would it be if you actually worked out to do it on the most advanced equipment on the planet for the next 2.5yrs from today and you did at at an exertion lvl that most in the world were unwilling to match because of their lack of willpower or heart to do so. Oh... and your body is in constant mutation so that your strength, durability, endurance and agility increased a little everyone of those days within that 2.5 yrs.

So yes...even though it happened 2.5 yrs ago.

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And are you saying that someone whom is 200x stronger than some one can not easily overpower the other at will and turn them into a puppet... Ben would "IF" needed take a slash to allow Wolverine to get close enough to be able to do so.

And FTR Wolverine is 5' 3" to 5' 5" Ben is 6' to 6'5 all dependent upon artiest even with Wolverine's claws being 6" to 12" he would match Ben's reach at best. No leverage advantage for Logan. He couldn't slash Ben without being put in his vise.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Your lack of knowledge on your favourite comic book character hurts my eyes while reading your posts.

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Yeeeeaaaahhhhh no knowledge at all about Ben.

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