Wolverine vs The Thing

Originally posted by jinzin
in that same fasion all it takes from wolverine is one good shot too...

ummm I mean, wolverine can probably more often than not take a shot from thing in the face.. if wolverine punches thing in the face however.. I don't think thing can guarantee those same kinda odds.

I would pretty much like to see Wolveirne try to pierce Ben's skull.

Seriously, Ben cant block everywhere, he's a big guy, but he can most definitly see Wolverine attacking him if he's going for a headshot.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I would pretty much like to see Wolveirne try to pierce Ben's skull.

Seriously, Ben cant block everywhere, he's a big guy, but he can most definitly see Wolverine attacking him if he's going for a headshot.

Originally posted by jinzin
well slashing doesn't equate to stabbing. I would have thought this was clear with all the hulk examples flaoting about...

in any case.. mimic who can transform himself into organic steel didn't do well when logan stabbed him.. infact he got shredded...

in the bottem pick you displayed it even states organic steel is no match for admantium and loganis once again slashing.. not piercing.. and finally colosus gets terrified pretty much any time wolverine points his claws at the guy... this was clearly apparent in warpath's first appearance...

Heck even in the Ult. universe it has been proven that Logan cannot cut Colossus. Sparks!

Originally posted by Grimm22
I would pretty much like to see Wolveirne try to pierce Ben's skull.

Seriously, Ben cant block everywhere, he's a big guy, but he can most definitly see Wolverine attacking him if he's going for a headshot.

well he peirced right through his torso no problem... so...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Well organic steel is not at tough as adamantium. I never said it was. I said Logan is not strong enough to do any damage as has been proven. Mimic is not Colossus or even Warhawk. S'ym who has incalcuable strength(level 7) tossed one of Logans claws at Colossus and it stuck into his shoulder. Amazing Colossus in the process and doing no real damage cause he pullled it out and wrestled S'ym.

Heck even in the Ult. universe it has been proven that Logan cannot cut Colossus. Sparks!

I know mimic isn't colosus but neither is warhawk... the fact is mimic STILL used organic steel in his fight with wolverine and wolverine STILL ripped him to shreds.. I don't think wolverine has the strength to slice a gaping cut in colosus.. but I think he could stab straight through.. again like hulk...

Originally posted by capt it up
actauly wolverine cut a good portion of thing face away before

I'm aware

But as it said in the comic itself, the main reason that he was able to do that was because he was in beserker rage. Then Ben bitc* slapped him through about 9 buildings.

Also, scratching a face and piercing a skull are two completly different things

interesting how a lot of people are willing to say logan has a pretty good chance against ben, but zero chance against namor or a hammerless thor. ben would go down (most of the time) against either, but he would put up a hell of a fight . . . what's the main reason for thinking he can beat ben 4, 5, 6/10, but then go 0/10 against both namor and thor? is it the strength of the others? the speed?

Originally posted by leonidas
interesting how a lot of people are willing to say logan has a pretty good chance against ben, but zero chance against namor or a hammerless thor. ben would go down (most of the time) against either, but he would put up a hell of a fight . . . what's the main reason for thinking he can beat ben 4, 5, 6/10, but then go 0/10 against both namor and thor? is it the strength of the others? the speed?

Just a tad. 😗

Originally posted by Grimm22
I'm aware

But as it said in the comic itself, the main reason that he was able to do that was because he was in beserker rage. Then Ben bitc* slapped him through about 9 buildings.

Also, scratching a face and piercing a skull are two completly different things

Originally posted by leonidas
interesting how a lot of people are willing to say logan has a pretty good chance against ben, but zero chance against namor or a hammerless thor. ben would go down (most of the time) against either, but he would put up a hell of a fight . . . what's the main reason for thinking he can beat ben 4, 5, 6/10, but then go 0/10 against both namor and thor? is it the strength of the others? the speed?

You make a valid point considering that Ben and Namor are constant rivals in fights.

Some of the most badass fights ever if I may put it at that much 😮‍💨

Originally posted by capt it up
scratching a face? u could see things brain.
actauly wolverine went into a rage for about a second. then he calmed down as seen in the comic wolverine stopps his attack after he realized what he did to Ben.

Your mistaking Brain for Muscle. Pretty much under his rocky hide thats what Ben looks like. Muscle tissue.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's easy leo. I am going out on a limb but I think people over-hype Namor a tad.

Just a tad. 😗

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Originally posted by leonidas
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Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's easy leo. I am going out on a limb but I think people over-hype Namor a tad.

Just a tad. 😗

Originally posted by Black Rob
You better be glad DarkCrawler's not here...

Originally posted by TheKahn
And the point of that scan was???
We all know that Cyke can vary the intensity of his optic blast and Wolverine, himself, states that the beams are not hitting him as hard as they are able. So I'm kind of lost as to the relevance that scan has.

Wolverine also took Cyclops' hardest optic blast during the Brood Saga. Cyclops was turning into a brood, which means he had no eyelids. He couldn't hold back the force, because his visor was gone. Wolverine jumps into the optic blast to free himself of his restraints, then knocks out Cyclops and takes down the Brood Queen.

Wolverine also took about ten optic blasts while falling off a cliff against Proteus. He got right back up, complaining about Cyclops' way of breaking his fall.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I'm aware

But as it said in the comic itself, the main reason that he was able to do that was because he was in beserker rage. Then Ben bitc* slapped him through about 9 buildings.

Also, scratching a face and piercing a skull are two completly different things

Wolverine being in a berserker rage had nothing to do with him hurting Ben. If you are trying to say the Rage gave him the extra strength to cut Ben you are wrong because Wolverine was on his back using pure arm strength to cut Ben. He had no leverage, lower body, or upper body power in the slash. All arm. Wolverine also wasn't in a rage when he impaled Ben through the shoulder in Enemy of the State.

Ben didn't ***** slap Wolverine. He hit him just about as hard as Thing can hit. Ben was PISSED and in PAIN. You don't ***** slap people in that state. You attempt to kill them. Which is just what Thing did.

And the only reason Thing hit Wolverine was because Wolverine stopped fighting, in complete shock over what he had done in anger. Ben is his friend after all. He tried to apologize. Pretty much let Ben hit him.

Wolverine did not "scratch" Thing's face. He ripped half his face off. It was so badly disfigured he wore a MASK and they wouldn't show his face until a while later. Even then Thing freaked out without the mask on. You dont freak out over a scratch.

Originally posted by riceroost
This fight is from X-Men Classics. Not only does he take a very high powered optic blast in the pic shown, but earlier he takes "full-powered" attacks from Cyclops, Storm, Banshee, and Phoenix all at the same time. He recovers from this to take down Peter and then I think Banshee, before Mesmero takes them all out. Even after fighting the entire team (including getting hammered on several times by Colossus) Wolverine is still the last X-Man standing. Mesmero is shocked at how tough Wolverine is.

Thank you for elaborating on the relevance of that scan, I really do appreciate it 🙂. However, my problem is the explanation, or more precisely the lack thereof, from Marvel for how Wolverine would be able to take a "full-powered" attack from Cyclops given the level of destruction it has been shown capable of. If the blast is truly strong enough to punch a hole in a mountain how exactly does Wolverine's skin and bones stay attached to his skeleton under such pressures?

I understand that such practical questions were not always given priority in comics in times past but I do feel that they do need to be addressed in some way for them to account as more than PIS.

Originally posted by riceroost

Wolverine also took Cyclops' hardest optic blast during the Brood Saga. Cyclops was turning into a brood, which means he had no eyelids. He couldn't hold back the force, because his visor was gone. Wolverine jumps into the optic blast to free himself of his restraints, then knocks out Cyclops and takes down the Brood Queen.

Again Cyclops strongest blast has leveled a forest and ripped an armored sentinel to pieces but yet Wolverine can somehow take it head-on with little effect? I just can not see how those two facts could co-exists.

Originally posted by riceroost

Wolverine also took about ten optic blasts while falling off a cliff against Proteus. He got right back up, complaining about Cyclops' way of breaking his fall.

The only explanation I can think of there is that Cyke was reducing the intensity of those blasts so that they only slowed Wolverine down and were not strong enough to critically injure him.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Thank you for elaborating on the relevance of that scan, I really do appreciate it 🙂. However, my problem is the explanation, or more precisely the lack thereof, from Marvel for how Wolverine would be able to take a "full-powered" attack from Cyclops given the level of destruction it has been shown capable of. If the blast is truly strong enough to punch a hole in a mountain how exactly does Wolverine's skin and bones stay attached to his skeleton under such pressures?

I understand that such practical questions were not always given priority in comics in times past but I do feel that they do need to be addressed in some way for them to account as more than PIS.

Again Cyclops strongest blast has leveled a forest and ripped an armored sentinel to pieces but yet Wolverine can somehow take it head-on with little effect? I just can not see how those two facts could co-exists.

The only explanation I can think of there is that Cyke was reducing the intensity of those blasts so that they only slowed Wolverine down and were not strong enough to critically injure him.

actauly this is quite easy to explain. a master of martial arts can punch through concreat and yet if he punch u it would not go throught u. I am no sciences major, but I have heard that becuase of the way skinn is it can survive blunted impacts better then rock and other materials. this would actauly make sense, since when u are hit with a bat ur skinn is not broken but ur bones are.

Originally posted by capt it up
actauly this is quite easy to explain. a master of martial arts can punch through concreat and yet if he punch u it would not go throught u. I am no sciences major, but I have heard that becuase of the way skinn is it can survive blunted impacts better then rock and other materials. this would actauly make sense, since when u are hit with a bat ur skinn is not broken but ur bones are.

I'm sorry but that doesn't quite explain it for me. The reason a human being can punch through concrete and not a human body is quite simple. While concrete has a great deal of compressive and tensile strength, it is also a relatively brittle substance and thus has a very small modulus of elasticity. Also the concrete martial artists punch through is relatively thin. On the other hand, the soft tissues of the human body are much more flexible and elastic. Thus the soft tissues will deform upon impact and dissipate the kinetic energy of an attack where a concrete block will not. Incidental, this is why you do not want to be in a masonry building during an earthquake.

Now the soft tissues can dissipate a good deal of energy, however what we are talking about here far exceeds its limits. Imagine you are holding a stick of dynamite in your hand. Now one stick won't even scratch a mountain, but it is more than enough to easily flay a human body (as someone mentioned just look at the horrific results of small bombs on human beings on the news to get an idea). Now multiply that one stick of dynamite by a hundred or thousand fold and you start to get to the level of Cyke's optic blast. Now you can see why I just can't see how Wolverine's body could ever take a full powered blast given his powerset.