Comic Book Questions

Originally posted by Utrigita

*ahem my two cent on this*

I must admit that in the beginning I was very sceptical towards Thanos exact achievement in the HOTU serie, however I think it's very obvious that Thanos absorbed the Marvel mainstream Multiverse ore easily could have (showed when he defeated 616 Eternity which houses the entire force of the Multiverse), I then moved away from the single universal absorbing view, and went to atleast Multiversal, and I admitted I stayed with the Multiversal until I saw the interview with Jim Starlin, when that was presented (by Master) there was no doubt any longer that Thanos had absorbed what he could (space and time in marvel) because that is what Starlin says (we isn't disagreeing with the writers are we?), whether he are refering to the omniverse ore the prime Multiverse is from my point of view not important, what is important is that the author himself has stated that Thanos destroyed "all of marvel" then it's just up to use to decide what all of marvel is, as Starlin himself says if you are the average reader you believe it's the 616 reality but if you are a advanced reader, which I take all on this forum for being, Then you know that all of Marvel is at the very least the mainstream marvel multiverse (that is discounting all the showings of other multiverses that exist in marvel), However there have been a lot of discussion about whether ore not Marvel has a omniverse, I'm on the Wagon that says they does (Based on the on panel showings and Handbooks (that cannot always seem to agree)), thus I will conclude (from my own view on the omniverse discussion) that Thanos absorbed (destroyed) the omniverse (ore at the very least the mainstream multiverse) not a single reality.

"as Starlin himself says
if you are the average reader you believe it's the 616 reality
but if you are a advanced reader"

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That's what I was pointing out true debater,
that I couldn't believe
the "other guy" literally ADDED that fallacy to Starlin's interview.

NO where in that interview
did Starlin ever make any allusion to that statement,
let alone say it to begin with.

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

The part that exposes that "other guy's" LIE is right towards the top,
next to Akhenaten's black & white picture, you can't miss it.

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In fact ...

... These are Jim Starlin's actual words from that segment: (copied and pasted)

Originally Posted by Starlin

The Warlock Family allows me to explore themes that would be difficult, if not impossible,
to examine in other characters.
Could you imagine Spider-Man killing himself to save the universe?
Thanos in particular is ripe with possibility. He's the ultimate in pragmatic selfishness.
I know a lot of it is ego but I think I'm the only one who can really write him properly.
Dan Jurgens is the only other writer who's come close.
Most writers just think
you have to have the big T destroying lots of things to make a good Thanos story.
Wrong.

Starlin's interview: (unmolested by outside sources)

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=36&t=000382

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This is what the "other guy" fallaciously added: (the utter LIE is underlined)

Originally Posted by Starlin

The Warlock Family allows me to explore themes that would be difficult, if not impossible,
to examine in other characters.
Could you imagine Spider-Man killing himself to save the universe?
As for the "Marvel Universe", yes,
we do use that term to address the entirety of Marvel Comics. . .

BUT, it can also be used to address mainstream Marvel Comics - the 616 universe.
This is consistent with the average to even the most casual comic book reader;
the multiverse concept is for involved/advanced readers.

On the previous page:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=346614&pagenumber=291

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Are you seeing this Utrigita? ... Can you believe this? ... Pinocchio anyone? liar

CAUGHT son, lovely!

(this is why I added the link to Starlin's interview,
as I always provide the proof to my claims)

But even more atrocious,
is how my hater actually didn't even notice this,
so intent is my hater on trying to bring me down,
homeboy just saw a post that tries to humiliate me,
that tries to devalue my name,
that tries to besmirch my name by accusing me of "distorting truths."

Observe:

Originally posted by the Other Guy

he's misreading,
he's extremely biased in his interpretations of cosmic power,
or is deliberately fooling the masses.

You'll find quite a bit that that guy omits.

I know that you, EM, of all Battledomers,
wouldn't want to operate on misinformation or distorted truths.

Yet, my Hater is claiming that this, (a vain attempt to discredit my name)
and the rest of the gobbledygook is "right on the money"
while it contains the ONLY LIE up in here,
worse than a lie,
literally adding imaginary text to Starlin's words. ...
as you just saw yourself,
to try and make himself seem right.

lulz

PS. ... (to my Hater)

Goodness, I should report you
for clinging on to this spiteful hate for so long,
dogs, it's almost TWO freakin years now, let it go already.

This should be a lesson,
see how your spite forces you to make idiotic blind choices.
(yes, you'll be staying on my ignore list but still ... for your own honor, jeesh)

I beg the pardon of all the true debaters that don't need to see this nonsense,
but enough is enough yall, this has been going on for too long, since Nov.06'
had to let it out.

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Anyways, back on topic.

Which is the fastest Flash ever?

Also, excluding the pre-crisis era, and Superman prime
which Superman is the most powerful ever,
blue/red/tangent the works can all be included?

It's be nice to see some sort of categorization, like a mini-list in order.

Thanx.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Which is the fastest Flash ever?

Wally West has the best feats, but theoretically Bart should have been faster.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Also, excluding the pre-crisis era, and Superman prime
which Superman is the most powerful ever,
blue/red/tangent the works can all be included?

Excluding Emo-Prime, Golden Superman Prime would probably be the strongest. Otherwise, mayhaps Superman 1M.

Originally posted by Ize19
Mr. Master may not always be right, but he certainly isn't dishonest. Every time I've seen someone try to accuse him of lying, whether by omission or otherwise, he's put them in their place. The man definitely deserves some respect, and he has mine.

👆 😖mart:

Originally posted by Soljer
Wally West has the best feats, but theoretically Bart should have been faster.

don't make me come over there... uhuh

I don't know, Pre - Crisis Barry Allen had some pretty crazy feats

theoretically is true, with his photographic memory and total recall, bart was pulling some major feats that wally would have to eventually stumble across thru trial and error(imo) plus no matter what wally has done until i see him create time displaced duplicates of himself, and house the entirety of the SF inside his body I wont be so hasty to put him at #1

What comics did Trion Juggernaut appear in?

What happened to the Kandor that was in the Fortress of Solitude? Was it not the real Kandor and if not what story arc was that in?

Originally posted by Deathstroke
What happened to the Kandor that was in the Fortress of Solitude? Was it not the real Kandor and if not what story arc was that in?

either there are two (the one on krypton and the lunar colony), or johns just retconned the f*ck out of it...

Originally posted by Rorschach
What comics did Trion Juggernaut appear in?

X-men #88 and Uncanny x-men #368-369. The dimension-feat was in x-men #88 iirc.

Originally posted by manjaro
theoretically is true, with his photographic memory and total recall, bart was pulling some major feats that wally would have to eventually stumble across thru trial and error(imo) plus no matter what wally has done until i see him create time displaced duplicates of himself, and house the entirety of the SF inside his body I wont be so hasty to put him at #1

Until Wally gets killed by Captain Cold & Co, Bart stays at #2 (at best)

😛

Originally posted by Ouallada
X-men #88 and Uncanny x-men #368-369. The dimension-feat was in x-men #88 iirc.

Thanks. 👆

Originally posted by Scoobless
Until Wally gets killed by Captain Cold & Co, Bart stays at #2 (at best)

😛

toucheeeuro

Did Doom lose his "powerup" from Unthinkable?

How exactly is Magneto manipulating ice?

Originally posted by Bad Ash231

How exactly is Magneto manipulating ice?

I personally think a lot of Magneto's feats involving things other than metals are ridiculous. That said however. If he truly were the master of any form of magnetism, then there would be very few substances that he couldn't exert some sort of influence on.

There are various kinds of magnetism. The big two types being ferromagnetic and paramagnetic. Iron, nickel, and some other metals are called ferromagnetic. They react strongly to a magnetic field. Their molecules will actually rearrange themselves and become magnetic themselves. That is what is usually thought of as magnetism, and what I think the writers should stick to for magneto.

Paramagnetism is weaker and on a smaller scale. water happens to be paramagnetic. you can see that yourself by holding a strong magnet next to a stream of water coming from the tap. the stream will bend slightly in response to the magnetic field. Most polar molecules are paramagnetic.

So yeah, magneto could influence the H2O molecules in ice, but it would take a whole lot more force than controlling ferromagnetic metals.

-edit-

in addition to that, most water isn't pure and contains various salts and trace amounts of .... yep you guessed it, iron! I suppose magneto could control those as well.

In the end though, it's just because the writer wanted him to.

Originally posted by docb77
I personally think a lot of Magneto's feats involving things other than metals are ridiculous. That said however. If he truly were the master of any form of magnetism, then there would be very few substances that he couldn't exert some sort of influence on.

There are various kinds of magnetism. The big two types being ferromagnetic and paramagnetic. Iron, nickel, and some other metals are called ferromagnetic. They react strongly to a magnetic field. Their molecules will actually rearrange themselves and become magnetic themselves. That is what is usually thought of as magnetism, and what I think the writers should stick to for magneto.

Paramagnetism is weaker and on a smaller scale. water happens to be paramagnetic. you can see that yourself by holding a strong magnet next to a stream of water coming from the tap. the stream will bend slightly in response to the magnetic field. Most polar molecules are paramagnetic.

So yeah, magneto could influence the H2O molecules in ice, but it would take a whole lot more force than controlling ferromagnetic metals.

-edit-

in addition to that, most water isn't pure and contains various salts and trace amounts of .... yep you guessed it, iron! I suppose magneto could control those as well.

In the end though, it's just because the writer wanted him to.

Yes, do your research... magnetically!

I guess Magento's powers aren't "Control over magnetism" but that he can do anything as long as he mentions magnetism while doing it.

Whatever happened to the Sphinx

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Yes, do your research... magnetically!

I guess Magento's powers aren't "Control over magnetism" but that he can do anything as long as he mentions magnetism while doing it.