wow big scans. cool technology 👆. not really - just an overbearing annoyance more than anything 👇.
and do you really think i was only talking about 'the hand'? i'll answer that - i wasn't. i only brought that up because i found it odd how krona referred to those universes [ie. as completely separate things]. anyhow, that was only one of the handful of 'avengers tid-bits' scattered throughout the issue.
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Originally posted by Galan007wow big scans. cool technology not really -
just an overbearing annoyance more than anything
If normal scans are dismissed, well, then we have to get Vegas style.
Originally posted by Galan007and do you really think i was only talking about 'the hand'?
i'll answer that - i wasn't.
i only brought that up because i found it odd how krona referred to those universes [ie. as completely separate things].
Yes.
Originally posted by Galan007it also shows us two different manifestations of two different universes [in krona's eyes].
Originally posted by Galan007one of those manifestations is kismet, who we know embodies dc.
but what could the other one be an embodiment of?
One is of DC, who can the other be?
Originally posted by Galan007krona clearly says "they (the universes) are alive."
*cough*marvel*cough*
Is this not a claim that the other hand is Eternity?
I posted the Proof that the "Hand" is indeed the creator of the first DC Multiverse!
You reposted and ignored my post.
I was just clearing up the facts good friend, no need to get upset. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007anyhow,
that was only one of the handful of 'avengers tid-bits' scattered throughout the issue.
In all seriousness good friend.
Originally posted by Mr Masteronly a moron would think dc is willing to shovel out an exorbitant amount of money to marvel - just to mention a few of their characters. 😂
Hey cool,
if the Avengers were mentioned, even a single member,
or even better drawn in Trinity ... post that, cause that would be special.In all seriousness good friend.
that's why i've repeatedly said the avengers happening was 'hinted' at. i never said anything was directly mentioned. most people can put 2 and 2 together though.
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Originally posted by Galan007only a moron would think dc is willing to shovel out an exorbitant amount of money to marvel - just to mention a few of their characters.
Originally posted by Galan007that's why i've repeatedly said the avengers happening was 'hinted' at.
i never said anything was directly mentioned.
most people can put 2 and 2 together though.
Like I said,
you simply thought the "Hand" (other manifestation) was from Marvel,
an honest mistake,
I proved it wasn't from Marvel,
I proved it was the "Hand" that created the original DC Multiverse.
Simple correction, no harm done good friend. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
you simply thought the "Hand" (other manifestation) was from Marvel,
an honest mistake,
I proved it wasn't from Marvel,
I proved it was the "Hand" that created the original DC Multiverse.
You didn't "prove" anything, in this scan he's referring to "each universe" the eye on the right is the manifestation of the DC universe, it is therefore implied that the other eye reflects the representation of a separate universe:
We already know he's talking about the events from Avengers/JLA as the cosmic egg was been referred to as well as mentioning teh hands pushing the worlds together and the presence of "others" ... and the hand looks as much like these scans as it does the old ones you posted:
There's also the direct quote in the trinity scan that's taken from this scene:
Originally posted by ScooblessYou didn't "prove" anything, in this scan he's referring to "each universe" the eye on the right is the manifestation of the DC universe, it is therefore implied that the other eye reflects the representation of a separate universe:
Originally posted by Mr Master============================
Crisis on Infinite Earths #7
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Krona's history being told:
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Krona sees the "Hand" that created the first DC Multiverse
"An image forming? ... like a giant Hand
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Krona is sent away by those that would later become the Guardians
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The exact same account is recounted by Krona himself in JLA/Avengers:
And there goes that "hand" again ... as he clearly points out:
"In my home Universe,
I sent time-probes ... to the moment of the Big Bang itself ...
... an image, like a giant Hand" ....
Originally posted by ScooblessWe already know he's talking about the events from Avengers/JLA as the cosmic egg was been referred to as well as mentioning teh hands pushing the worlds together and the presence of "others" ... and the hand looks as much like these scans as it does the old ones you posted:
But he also referred to the story of his origins in JLA/Avengers,
and the "hand" that created the original DC Multiverse was drawn as I presented,
so, it's not like it's a stretch that that is the Hand in the eye,
indeed, a separate manifestation, since it was some other force,
then Alexander Luthor manipulated the creation of the New DC 52 Multiverse.
But that scan with Eternity,
is Eternity holding the Milky Way Galaxy of 616, clearly a Galaxy!
And it's clearly not the same hand, holding unformed energy like in the eye.
The "Hand" in the Trinity arc: (2008) - DC Comics
The "Hand" in the Crisis on Infinite Earths arc: (1985) - DC Comics
The "Hand" from Krona's Universe (COIE) (DC) in JLA/Avengers: (2004) - Cross-over
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Also notice how the Galaxy in Eternity's hand fits perfectly withIN it ...
... while the unformed energy in the eye, like in COIE, like in JLA referring to DC's creation,
... is clearly surpassing the hand in all directions.
Originally posted by Scoobless
There's also this direct quote
But the "hand" that represents a separate manifestation,
is definitely not Eternity holding a Galaxy,
it's clearly the same "hand" from COIE.
.. well .. IMO at-least. 🙂
Originally posted by ScooblessNo it isn't, or he wouldn't be referring to the two images
(of what you believe to be the same thing) as "they" and "them".
Or,
has Kismet ever been depicted creating DC, or it's Universes?
I honestly wouldn't know.
Originally posted by ScooblessAnd btw,
two images that look kinda similar are not "undeniable proof" of anything.
My contention is based on the fact that Trinity's "Hand"
is holding swirling energy that surpasses the "Hand" in all directions,
it may be a coincindence but the exact same feature is shared by the "Hand" in COIE,
'and the "Hand" in JLA/Avengers
where Krona is referring to that very same Hand while recounting his origin in DC,
which as said was depicted in COIE.
The Galaxy in Eternity's Hand is perfectly placed withIN it,
and there's no energy of any kind around it.
You feel me? I might be looking at it a little too meticulously,
but I believe I have a point.
Because as I said,
Krona explained his origins in JLA/Avengers,
with the "Hand" involved in his origins illustrated,
and coincidentally looking exactly the same as the "Hand" in Trinity.
Just sayin.
Originally posted by Scoobless(you got that IMO edit in before I posted ... 😛 )
Originally posted by manjaroactually i think galan was referring to the image in the left eye....i vaguely remember a greenish humanoid figure that represented MArvel in the X-over
Ah yeeaa, nice segue. 😮💨
btw. The greenish humanoid figure is Kismet, and it did appear in the x-over.
Originally posted by manjaro
actually i think galan was referring to the image in the left eye....i vaguely remember a greenish humanoid figure that represented MArvel in the X-over
The green figure is Kismet from DC. In fact the image is almost exactly the same as Kismet's face on the cover of one issue of Adventures of Superman.
Mr M. are you really going through all this JUST to prove that it's not canon to Marvel?
We know Marvel doesn't consider it canon. However, it's patently obvious to anyone what the images mean. And what the hands and 'other universe' are.
So stop denying it and posturing. It's DC, nothing to do with Marvel, right?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestMr M. are you really going through all this JUST to prove that it's not canon to Marvel?
Originally posted by TricksterPriestWe know Marvel doesn't consider it canon. However, it's patently obvious to anyone what the images mean. And what the hands and 'other universe' are.
So stop denying it and posturing.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestIt's DC, nothing to do with Marvel, right?
We were discussing the image of the "hand" within Krona's eye,
everyone involved had a legitimate argument,
and we left it at that.
The subject is dead now, and I don't care about it anymore.
Righto. 👆
Just one last thing.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3980/hand2dy4.jpg
You misinterpreted this scan. It's a temporal paradox. The hand is not the creator of the DCU. It's the Anti-Monitor.
well despite the fact that Krona threw around massive amounts of comsic energy that seemed to humble even grandmaster its still hard to guage his actual lvls...so since he emerged from the Egg prematurely i wonder if he'll get a slight boost or just go back to being the energy being in a suit of armor thing
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just one last thing.You misinterpreted this scan. It's a temporal paradox.
The hand is not the creator of the DCU. It's the Anti-Monitor.
Of course,
agreements will flow towards anyone that agrees with what one believes.
But no one can deny, that the Galaxy in Eternity's hand fits perfectly withIN it,
no energy of any kind outside his hand,
while the "Hand" in the eye is holding swirling energy that surpasses the hand in all directions,
coincidentally, it's the exact same occurrence in the COIE arc,
just like it's the exact same occurrence in the hand in JLA/Avengers
that represent the hand in COIE.
Just saying.
