What are some of Captain Americas greatest losses on raw skill?
Usually, whenever he has trouble he's blatantly overpowered, outnumbered, or there's some other extenuating circumstance, but I can't think of too many times where Cap has been overmatched in h2h skill. (Think about how Spidey lost to Black Tarantula twice in a row, establishing he was simply outclassed against this one character..)
Bonus points if you can name examples that aren't mere one offs that never, ever happened again against from the same character (Characters who have his number, basically, or who he at least has multiple losses from..)
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Vs. Moondragon, vs. Kingpin...
Really, Moondragon?
Interesting.. I know she's highly skilled, but Marvel tends to be protective of Cap against lower tier characters.
Kingpin, I've seen, and imo that was a loss on raw power and not skill. Kingpin basically tanked all of his attacks, and steamrolled him.
There were some characters that were unaffected (at least officially) by COIE like Spectre and Darkseid, did they keep their memories/powers through the new reboot too or are they rebooted as well? I don't know if the Spectre has appeared since the reboot but I know Darkseid did, is there any hint that he's the same being as the old Darkseid or a new one?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Vs. Moondragon, vs. Kingpin...
Vs human form Mantis twice I think.
But...
When Moondragon fought him he was losing the SSS powers. Don't know exactly what level that put him, either towards regular human or even towards pre-SSS-Rogers level. Also Cap had been hypnotized by a government agent into fighting the IW so was under mind control. Moondragon wasn't physically amped though, and wasn't using her mind powers.
First time against Mantis he was KO'd but it may have been by surprise. Second time in a straight fight he was getting beaten and she said she was about to snap his spine when Vision intervened. But I think this Mantis was retconned into a brainwashed Space Phantom or something.
Vs Kingpin he was roughed up.