Lucifer Morningstar runs the Gauntlet...

It still not proven that Michael and Lucifer combined are equal to The Presence. Although eleveninches stated the issue # but I still havent checked it out. Its also not proven that Lucifer(or Michael) will suceed The Presence since The Presence is already gone and he didnt appoint any successor.

And Cosmic Cube, Lucifer is not purely evil. Lucifer is just a being who just wanted to live his own life and decide his own fate. But because he lives in The Presence's turf(the DC Multiverse), he cant achieve what he wants. Thats why he wanted to leave creation and wanted to have a multiverse of his own in the first place. He just wanted to be free of The Presence, thats all. He never had the desire to hurt people. He never had the desire to convince people to the "dark side"(hmm... sounds familiar that one). He never really cared about them to be honest. In fact, he even complained why people always blame him, the devil, of all their wrong doings, when he didnt even do anything to them.

So yeah. He just wanted to be free, because as long as he stays in the DC Multiverse, The Presence will always be the one who controls his life. And the very thought of that makes him really sick to the core.

Anyway as for the subject. I forgot another weapon of Lucifer ---> His Mind. Lucifer doesnt need to corrupt Adam(he doesnt even do that kind of stuff). He could just trick Adam into giving up HOTU, or not killing him, or better yet join him in his crusade. He is the God of Deception after all. Now Im not saying that its 100% sure that it will happen, but its entirely possible. Unless Warlock cannot be tricked as well, which I doubt very much.

lucifer gets past thanos, tribunal and even THOTU{even though some people might disagree with this}, but he most definately can NOT defeat the one above all,

He could if he takes the THOTU from Warlock.

no no, i meant without taking it, simply by battling it, i have enough reason to believe that he could, even if others dont wanna know about it.

TOAA?

no, i mean the heart of the universe.

This is a planned attack though, why wouldn't he take THOTU? Could he defeat TOAA with the THOTU?

i dont think so mecilous, i got a feelin that TOAA is a lot more powerful than THOTU.

Even so, is it more powerful than the combined powers of Lucifer and THOTU?

i would think so yes, i would put lucifer at roughly a slightly higher rank then the true beyonderss and lower than the infinite being.

Well the thread says he plans to take over the MU, that to me says he gets prep, still think he can't do it?

well i would have said yes if this was the dc universe cause its been done before n lucifer knows his enemie but TOAA has stayed rather quiet compared to the presence or the great beast dont u think.

I'm just not sure, I guess it's wise not to assume though.

i know it isnt, but considering that he made the entire multiverse{the infinite being}, the beyond realm{which is greater than the multiverse} and any other marvel reality, id say he is more powerful than lucifer or the heart.

Oh, I think you misunderstood, I was saying it was wise for me to assume.

i would think that since toaa created the multiverse, and presumably everything in it, that nothing 'in it' not one thing or everything togther, ie LT + IG + lucifer + HOTU + etc . . . could defeat him. toaa could simply remove the power that he/she gave in the first place. toaa is truly above all and imho truly untouchable and invincible. doesn't make sense to me otherwise.

TOAA is above all like leo says

no one can beat him

Lucifer with Michale is not equla to TOAA, Lucifer wit hall DC Universe won't be equal to TOAA, TOAA will just blin then all out of existnece. Anyway Adam with HOTU will crush Lucifer.

<<Anyway Adam with HOTU will crush Lucifer.>>

i would highly doubt that. i'd doubt the hotu would have any impact at all on lucifer who is technically outside the multiverse and all the laws that govern it.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Anyway Adam with HOTU will crush Lucifer.>>

i would highly doubt that. i'd doubt the hotu would have any impact at all on lucifer who is technically outside the multiverse and all the laws that govern it.