Has Squall shown that he has a reaction time that's fast enough to dodge bullets? Can he slice through buildings? Can he hit an opponent so hard that he sends him about a hundred feet away? Can he fight while being hundreds of feet up in the air and land soundly on two legs? Can he fight three of Sephiroth's remnants and keep up with them? I don't think so. Also if I remember correctly, Squall is a normal human being whereas Cloud is an enhanced human due to him having Jenova cells. That explains why he's capable of doing all that he does in AC. What has Squall done to put him above Cloud anyway?
your going by advent children and not ff7...
since squall doesnt have a movie i was comparing both from the ff series they starred in...
on a side note, squall's overdrive or limit break requires him to jump hundreds of feet in the air and soundly land on two legs...
for the lionheart, he can throw any opponent hundreds of feet in the air with just an upward thrust of his gunblade (strength feat)...
and he deals more damage to the opponent...
Originally posted by draxx_tOfUUnlike some people in another particular debate 卢_卢 (They know who they are), you have made yourself clear and precise and have therefore got a reasonable argument instead of contradicting yourself.
your going by advent children and not ff7...since squall doesnt have a movie i was comparing both from the ff series they starred in...
on a side note, squall's overdrive or limit break requires him to jump hundreds of feet in the air and soundly land on two legs...
for the lionheart, he can throw any opponent hundreds of feet in the air with just an upward thrust of his gunblade (strength feat)...
and he deals more damage to the opponent...
Okay taking into account that Advent children is not included, they are both reasonably eavened out in my opinion, however, the fact Squall can cast aura and use a constant flow of limit breaks gives him a slight edge in combat, especially if he manages to pull off a successful Lionheart attack several times as that would dish out quite the damage, the issue with this is that Cloud could cast protect, and with the use of materia hes quite powerful, but the fact Squall has an unlimited amount of usage of gfs in his game due to the fact GFs have no mana, means he is given a powerboost except if Cloud kills off the GFs, giving them no time to attack with a powerful attack.
Magic would proove to be useless in this matchup seeing as how they both could easily cast shell or repel.
Conclusion: Although this is quite an even match, Squall is given the edge and the win, simply because Cloud does not have the agility, flexibility, durability, strength and defence that he has in his movie. There is a vast contrast between the Cloud in the game and the Cloud in the movie.
Originally posted by Pulse2
Unlike some people in another particular debate 卢_卢 (They know who they are), you have made yourself clear and precise and have therefore got a reasonable argument instead of contradicting yourself.Okay taking into account that Advent children is not included, they are both reasonably eavened out in my opinion, however, the fact Squall can cast aura and use a constant flow of limit breaks gives him a slight edge in combat, especially if he manages to pull off a successful Lionheart attack several times as that would dish out quite the damage, the issue with this is that Cloud could cast protect, and with the use of materia hes quite powerful, but the fact Squall has an unlimited amount of usage of gfs in his game due to the fact GFs have no mana, means he is given a powerboost except if Cloud kills off the GFs, giving them no time to attack with a powerful attack.
Magic would proove to be useless in this matchup seeing as how they both could easily cast shell or repel.
Conclusion: Although this is quite an even match, Squall is given the edge and the win, simply because Cloud does not have the agility, flexibility, durability, strength and defence that he has in his movie. There is a vast contrast between the Cloud in the game and the Cloud in the movie.
finally, someone who sees past the popularity...
although casting magic wont be necessarily useless...
casting protect does not grant the caster immunity, but only resistance in physical attacks...
same with shell but only with magic, although a bit moot since squall wont be attacking with magic... 馃槇
if you compare the heroes through their games only, squall owns cloud badly...
besides, if squall and crew had a movie similar to AC, im pretty sure that cloud's moves would seem pretty mundane to what squall is capable of... 馃槺 馃槇
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
finally, someone who sees past the popularity...although casting magic wont be necessarily useless...
casting protect does not grant the caster immunity, but only resistance in physical attacks...
same with shell but only with magic, although a bit moot since squall wont be attacking with magic... 馃槇
if you compare the heroes through their games only, squall owns cloud badly...
besides, if squall and crew had a movie similar to AC, im pretty sure that cloud's moves would seem pretty mundane to what squall is capable of... 馃槺 馃槇
Originally posted by Cloud_VIIHes talking game mechanics, not the movie mechanics, if it were based on the movie, Cloud would win no doubt, but put them both in a matchup with game mechanics, and Squall would win, in fact, Squall would also take down Zidane in game mechanics, Tidus on the other hand could be different, but due to the fact Tidus can't summon like Squall can, Squall is still given a certain degree of edge.
Hold it right there. Squall CANNOT do what Cloud's capable of doing, period. He is nowhere near as fast, experienced, powerful, or strategic as Cloud. If you're comparing the game versions, yes, Squall might have the edge in this fight. Hell, if this was Tidus versus everyone in Final Fantasy VIII, Tidus curbstomps all of them simply because of the fact that he has a weapon that can deal tens of thousands of damage to several enemies at once. As someone stated earlier, the game version of Squall is better than the game version of Cloud, but the game version of Cloud is in total contrast to the AC version. Magic is also pretty useless in this fight since both characters have the ability to protect against or nullify spells. Excluding Cloud's abilities in Advent Children is just a way to keep Squall from getting pounded right now. I HIGHLY doubt that Squall is capable of what Cloud did in AC. Just watch the intro to Final Fantasy VIII for f**** sake. Squall is nothing but a mediocre fighter compared to Cloud, and though he is a SEED in the military, he is genetically and physically inferior to Cloud. Cloud is genetically superior to Squall for the fact that he has Jenova's cells and recieved Mako enhancements. For that reason, Cloud has a faster reaction time, is more powerful, and overall faster. Look at how Seifer easily scarred Squall in the opening sequence, and look at how Cloud was blocking and dodging bullets in the Ancient Forest, or how Cloud dodged Sephiroth's Masamune as he was about to cut off his head. Clearly, Squall is outclassed by Cloud in every way possible, leaving out all the game mechanics.
Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Hold it right there. Squall CANNOT do what Cloud's capable of doing, period. He is nowhere near as fast, experienced, powerful, or strategic as Cloud. If you're comparing the game versions, yes, Squall might have the edge in this fight. Hell, if this was Tidus versus everyone in Final Fantasy VIII, Tidus curbstomps all of them simply because of the fact that he has a weapon that can deal tens of thousands of damage to several enemies at once. As someone stated earlier, the game version of Squall is better than the game version of Cloud, but the game version of Cloud is in total contrast to the AC version. Magic is also pretty useless in this fight since both characters have the ability to protect against or nullify spells. Excluding Cloud's abilities in Advent Children is just a way to keep Squall from getting pounded right now. I HIGHLY doubt that Squall is capable of what Cloud did in AC. Just watch the intro to Final Fantasy VIII for f**** sake. Squall is nothing but a mediocre fighter compared to Cloud, and though he is a SEED in the military, he is genetically and physically inferior to Cloud. Cloud is genetically superior to Squall for the fact that he has Jenova's cells and recieved Mako enhancements. For that reason, Cloud has a faster reaction time, is more powerful, and overall faster. Look at how Seifer easily scarred Squall in the opening sequence, and look at how Cloud was blocking and dodging bullets in the Ancient Forest, or how Cloud dodged Sephiroth's Masamune as he was about to cut off his head. Clearly, Squall is outclassed by Cloud in every way possible, leaving out all the game mechanics.
where do i start?
ok, when ff8 has a movie then lets include AC and compare the two shall we? so stop trying to compare a movie and a game with a ten year age gap...
also, your comparing cloud in AC to squall in the opening sequence of ff8 where squall is still weak? are you illogical or just plain blind biased?
on tidus, sure he he curbstomps everybody including squall AND cloud if you compare them in the games, problem is, this isnt about tidus but instead, its squall VS cloud...
and if you use game mechanics, squall>>>>>>cloud, its as simple as that...