Originally posted by Superboy Prime
You are a bit confused, you know? Squall also has super human stats thanks to the Guardian Force junctions. They even mention it in the game about how the Guardian Forces make them much more powerful and deadly, so yeah if Squall was given a 2007 CGI action flick he would be doing pretty much everything Cloud did and more. Why aren't they similar? Because of the difference in technology. You just cannot argue against that fact. Squall has taken ice pillars struck against his upper body and he has managed to survive; a stunt that is very comparable to what Cloud survived when Sephiroth impaled him on the Masamune. Cloud shouldn't rival Squall, for Squall is actually a better strategist at a younger age. Brains over muscle I say, not that Squall couldn't take the fight to Cloud anyway. No, they can't create anything they want. Do you really believe what you're saying? There are always limitations in technology; why else do you think there wasn't a single CGI fight scene in FFVII? Why do you think there is so much action and almost 0 story in Advent Children? Exactly. Except in-game Cloud isn't above Squall, and Squall is smarter, more tactical and overall the better soldier. 1- Says who? 2- Not really. Squall's active turn is indeed faster than Cloud's, and the fact that Gunblade is not as big as the First Tsurugi or buster Sword makes it easier for Squall to execute. 3- Debatable; though I might give the slight edge to Cloud. 4- Debatable; though again I might give the edge to Cloud. 5- Bullshit. That's just inconsitency from Square's CGI team. 6- Cloud doesn't have the better limit breaks. Heck never has and never will. Lion Heart plain and simple >>>>> Cloud's limits and that's without Renzokuken. Squall doesn't need Jenova cells, nor Mako enhancements for he already has upgrades thanks to the Guardian Force junctions. Cloud also failed his military training to the point he even assumed the identity of another, go figure? Cloud mind raping Squall? Not a chance. Squall has great Will, and Cloud isn't exactly the strongest willed being in existence, besides game mechanics just render Cloud useless against Squall because the match would go like this: 1. Both wait for their turns to come up, and Squall's comes first for FF8's turn system is indeed faster than FF7's. 2. Squall uses hero and becomes invulnerable to any harm or status affecting spells. 3. Cloud tries manipulate Squall and fails; not to mention that command materia often failed during the game, and against someone like Squall it wouldn't work, but nevermind Squall has hero just to make sure. 4. Squall's turn comes again and he casts aura on himself. Free Limit Breaks YAY. 5. Cloud either attacks to no effect or attempts to defend himself. 6. Squall spams Lion Heart all over the place. The match isn't as one sided as you make it seem, buddy.
Squall's in-game stats such as his strength, magic power, and speed can be raised if a Guardian Force provides the junctions. However, this is comparing the game versions and not the realistic and practical versions. If we go by that then we can say Squall = Rinoa, Cloud = Tifa, Tidus = Auron, and so on. This is juxtaposing the characters' in-game stats. That also means Tidus can one-shot every Aeon, character, and boss that has below 99,999 Health Points with an Energy Rain 😬. Either way, Cloud also can increase his stats in the game with certain materia.
NAME: Magic Plus
EFFECT: Increases user Magic stat
LEVELS: 5
LEVEL EFFECT: Level x 20 = % Increase
NAME: MP Plus
EFFECT: Increases users Max MP
LEVELS: 5
LEVEL EFFECT: Level x 20 = % Increase
NAME: Speed Plus
EFFECT: Increases users Dexterity stat
LEVELS: 5
LEVEL EFFECT: Level x 20 = % Increase
NAME: HP Absorb
EFFECT: User gains HP equal to 1/10 of the damage done by linked materia
LEVELS: 2
LOCATION: Wutai
NOTE: Pair with Knight of the Round to heal yourself back up to max while dealing massive damage to your enemies.
NAME: MP Turbo
EFFECT: Increases the power of the linked materia
LEVELS: 5
LEVEL EFFECT: Level * 10 = % Increase in power and MP cost
NAME: Quadra Magic
EFFECT: Linked magic materia spell or summon materia is 4 times
LEVELS: 5
Though seriously, I could care less about which game version is better. I really don't care. FF's battle systems is so unlike an action-based game or movie. You and I don't like to compare characters from FF games because of the complex and sophisticated battle systems they have. Please tell me how exactly is Squall above Cloud in any way leaving out gameplay mechanics and stats. I wasn't comparing FFVII. I was comparing AC to FFVIII, which did have fight scenes and clips. My point was that in CG quality scenes, anything could happen since it's all pre-rendered. People could make it look like anything they want. I don't care about in-game mechanics since it favors 15 year-old Rikku from X over 20 year-old Cloud and 17 year-old Squall any day of the week. How's Squall smarter? Also, just because Squall is a SeeD, doesn't make him the better soldier since the qualifications of both classes of mercenaries could be different. Plus, Squall has NEVER shown to able to do things like what Cloud did. If VIII's story ended at the end of the game, oh well. VII's story is divided into several games and movies that further the story and can be used regardless of the fact that there isn't an entire CG movie for VIII. I'm comparing the best of what both characters have shown to do in cutscenes, since it helps to say who would win in the most practical battle. Squall has never shown to be able to dodge bullets or slice through a mortocycle coming at him at 55 mph after realizing it was several yards away from him. I'm also not comparing in-game execution time since it's inconsistent enough as it is. Besides, Cloud could hasten himself with Speed Plus. Yeah, Cloud is stronger. The day Squall can knock someone a hundred yards away in one swing is the day that I say Squall's strength matches Cloud's. Speed is a no brainer; if Cloud's speed is faster than Squall's, his execution time should be as well; I'm not talking about turn-based stuff or time-taking spells. Yeah, Squall can fly temporarily. This is due to the fact that he has Jenova's cells. He's also stonger, and faster than Squall for that same reason. Remember the once instant in the movie where Sephiroth asks Cloud where'd he got his strength? That's from the Jenova cells and mako enhancements. Why do you think Barret, Cid, and Tifa can't do what Cloud can? About Limit Breaks; Cloud's Omnislash version 5 is better than any of Squall's Limit Breaks. You don't agree? I don't care 😄. Recieving junctions from the GFs happens in gameplay. Look, Tidus can have a weapon equipped with Deathtouch or Stonetouch and he could kill any character in one hit from that weapon. Comparing two FF characters and giving them all the options they have in the game would be pretty much an endless battle. i.e., person A does this, person B counters that, person A casts this, person B reflects that, and so on. Therefore, it is boring comparing two characters this way. Cloud not mind raping Squall? You can't be taking away his abilities now. It grants him the option of taking over Squall's mind, whether Squall's will is great or not. Once that's done, it's game over Squall. Again, I don't like to compare the game versions for several already mentioned reasons. No, Cloud has the Pre-Emptive materia which increases the chance of a surprise attack on the other team. Thus, Cloud executing the first move would use manipulate on Squall and make him kill himself. Oh, and if we take the route you set out for the two, Squall's Hero spell lasts only for a few minutes. Cloud would just wait until then seeing as how Squall can't even get him; this should be obvious. Afterwards, Cloud casts Stop and Squall and uses Omnislash Version 5 to kill him. This match isn't as one-sided as you make it seem either. However, I am agreeable with calling it a draw since it's got boring.