Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Yes Ive already seen all the garbage revan fanboys post..."Revan had infinite foresight","Revan let himself be shot by malak so he could be stronger","Revan could kill sidious with a wave of his hand","Revan had infinite knowledge","Revan mastered all forms" etc....P.S. Im not accusing you emperor revan of making garbage posts, although you are bias towards revan you do have quality arguments.
Thank you. I'll admit I'm slightly biased towards Revan, but I don't argue for him if I know he'll lose, like Revan vs. Yoda and Mace for example. Anyway, I think most of the Revan fans do have good posts, only some have garbage posts but so do some of the Yoda "fanboys". I mean that Apex guy said Yoda would win because he's light side and that we only said Revan would win because we don't like movie characters.
Oh and I think Darth Frobo did a great job of explaining why Sidious isn't at the same level as Revan. Even if he was, like you said, that would still be at Yoda's level.
One more thing...
A few pages ago (To lazy to look up the actual post) We were talking about the power to destroy somebody his mind. It was said that Revan did not have this power and I agreed with it, I also thought it was useless, Still do actually because it would take time. I would just like to say this however, he did learn it and use it, only the other way around.
During Kotor Bastila clearly said that Revan would never ever in his entire life regain his memory, however during Kotor 2 it is said that Revan regained his entire memory? Now how could he have done that, unless of course he managed to learn how to destroy somebody's memory and do it the other way around on himself. Its pretty clear that Revan left pretty fast after he destroyed Malak.
That wouldn't give him more then a month of training before he could learn and master this technique that he didn't know off at all until that time. Maybe the power of the Star Forge helped him or maybe not, but Revan learned that technique with incredible speed and he learned it in such a way that he could turn it around and use it on himself to restore his entire memory. Which made him even more powerful and smarter and made him regain control of force techniques he didn't know during Kotor.
The point I am trying to make here is, that Revan learned a technique that only masters know in a very short time, a month or so at most and he mastered it. Then he used it on himself and not only that he made it work the other way around. Restoring something that even the Jedi Masters of that time could not do. Revan really learned fast. If Masters take years to learn something (and they do because only the most powerful masters know it) and Revan could do it a very short time, it would really mean he is a fast studier. And powerful because he could do it on his own, when the Masters needed to join together in order to use the power.
Now imagine Revan trying to learn other techniques that are going to be easier to master, a technique that a lot of people could master. Imagine how fast he could learn that and how good he could control it in only a very small period of time. Still does not make him know everything, it just shows that he really did learn fast.
I will admit that I made one stupid post back in the beggining claiming that revan knew all the forms but i was more noobish then and am the first to admit that I didn't know what the hell i was saying, I was a noob and wrote something stupid, I corrected it for all you yoda fanboys who love mentioning it please realize it has no bearing on who would win and bringing up one garbage mistake someone made way in the past doesn't help you accomplish anything. That being said look at the reasons backing Revan then call yourself a noob and find a dark corner to cry in.
Originally posted by Fishy
One more thing...A few pages ago (To lazy to look up the actual post) We were talking about the power to destroy somebody his mind. It was said that Revan did not have this power and I agreed with it, I also thought it was useless, Still do actually because it would take time. I would just like to say this however, he did learn it and use it, only the other way around.
During Kotor Bastila clearly said that Revan would never ever in his entire life regain his memory, however during Kotor 2 it is said that Revan regained his entire memory? Now how could he have done that, unless of course he managed to learn how to destroy somebody's memory and do it the other way around on himself. Its pretty clear that Revan left pretty fast after he destroyed Malak.
That wouldn't give him more then a month of training before he could learn and master this technique that he didn't know off at all until that time. Maybe the power of the Star Forge helped him or maybe not, but Revan learned that technique with incredible speed and he learned it in such a way that he could turn it around and use it on himself to restore his entire memory. Which made him even more powerful and smarter and made him regain control of force techniques he didn't know during Kotor.
The point I am trying to make here is, that Revan learned a technique that only masters know in a very short time, a month or so at most and he mastered it. Then he used it on himself and not only that he made it work the other way around. Restoring something that even the Jedi Masters of that time could not do. Revan really learned fast. If Masters take years to learn something (and they do because only the most powerful masters know it) and Revan could do it a very short time, it would really mean he is a fast studier. And powerful because he could do it on his own, when the Masters needed to join together in order to use the power.
Now imagine Revan trying to learn other techniques that are going to be easier to master, a technique that a lot of people could master. Imagine how fast he could learn that and how good he could control it in only a very small period of time. Still does not make him know everything, it just shows that he really did learn fast.
Well said Fishy. The only thing I don't agree with is the time after Revan beat Malak. I'm not totally sure of him being dark side, but light side Revan waited a year after Malak before he went to fight the ancient Sith empire. I would imagine Dark side Revan would've done the same thing. And I think we already know how fast he learns, I mean if Revan is 30 in KOTOR then he was a master by 23 or earlier. If he's 27 in KOTOR then he was a master by the age of 20 or earlier and so on.
He learned in weeks what many cannot do in years, faster than anyone Zhar had ever seen before. Now yes this is his second time around and I suppose his subconscious remembered it, but people mentioned Revan frequently to him, telling him stories of his old self and Revan doesn't remember anything so I don't think his previous training helped him learn much quicker.
And Revan's potential, Zhar says his potential is unlimited though he is probably exaggerating. Yet before he used the Force at all, a Jedi mistook him for a padawan. That's pretty powerful.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Thank you. I'll admit I'm slightly biased towards Revan, but I don't argue for him if I know he'll lose, like Revan vs. Yoda and Mace for example. Anyway, I think most of the Revan fans do have good posts, only some have garbage posts but so do some of the Yoda "fanboys". I mean that Apex guy said Yoda would win because he's light side and that we only said Revan would win because we don't like movie characters.
I'm not naive enough to think that Yoda would win just because he is light, Its just something Yoda said. He told Luke the darkside is quicker but not stronger maybe they are equal and maybe the darkside is stronger but it doesn't mean you will win, which is proven by the movies. If you want to call me a fan boy go ahead, I don't mind.
You twisted my words to make me appear foolish, or you just misunderstood me about the movie characters and EU characters thing. I was just agreeing with Zamorak about Revan being controversial.
You like Revan(obviously), you don't have to get offended because I don't agree that he'll beat Yoda. You got mad and bashed me because you didn't like the qoutes from Wikipedia and now want to throw them out because there not "official", and there just opinions. Well what Kreia said about Revan being the heart of the force is also just an opinion, and people's thoughts on him being the most powerful Sith lord are just opinions. I'm being nice about this and I will only warn you once to back off.
Fishy you have a good argument even though its all speculation. You also seem to still believe Yoda is in his prime during the movies and I'm just wondering why? He walks on a cane and you can tell he struggles in the movies. I know you can only gain more knowledge in the force, but his physical stamina and strength aren't what they used to be. Frank Oz even says Yoda's old age has taken a toll on him.
The thing about Yoda, is that hes at his peak when he's 900, he has excellent mastery of the force. If you were to make him yonger, he would lose a little bit of force mastery over force duration. Make him younger, and he can use the force longer to help him with his lightsaber fighting. Make him older and he would be able to use the force more efficiently on anything other than physical boosting.
Originally posted by Darth Infidus
The thing about Yoda, is that hes at his peak when he's 900, he has excellent mastery of the force. If you were to make him yonger, he would lose a little bit of force mastery over force duration. Make him younger, and he can use the force longer to help him with his lightsaber fighting. Make him older and he would be able to use the force more efficiently on anything other than physical boosting.
Agreed, and I think if he had his younger self he would still have enough force power to make his showdown with Revan a lightsaber battle, and being younger would have a better chance of defeating him.
Yoda is able to keep up with people because of his great grasp of letting the force flow through him. If he was younger, he might have some of a physique, but he probably wouldn't of been able to channel the force well enough since his grasp of the force isn't as strong. A younger Yoda, in my opinion, would do worse than the current Yoda.
How much yonger? If your thinking like 100-300 then I dont think Yoda would stand a chance. He wouldnt have the extra centuries of honing his force powers and lightsaber skill. Revan would defeat this version of Yoda with the force. Since mostly everyone agrees than Revan>Sidious, and Sids NEARLY beat Older and a more force potent Yoda in a force contest, Revan's Force Storm would overwhelm Yoda. The reason I say overwhelm, is because Yoda wouldn't be as resistant to force lighting as his older self.
400-600 Yoda, would put up more of a fight
Yoda would be more resitant to force storm, not enough to deflect it, but enough to withstand it for a short while. If Yoda got in close, he chances would be lessend or greatened, however you choose to look at it. Sure he would be yonger, but he IS still in his hundreds, he would be able to last longer in a physical contest than his older self, BUT he wouldn't have as much skill in lightsaber fighting as his older self. It would basically be longer saber fighting over effiecient lightsaber fighting. However, thats assuming that the force of Revan's lightning doesn't knock the lightsaber out of Yoda's hands. If this is the case, then this fight would last just about as long as the one with the 100-300 Yoda.
600-800 Yoda
Better force resistance, Less of an ability to do a prolonged lightsaber duel. High chance of absorbing Revan's lightning, less of a chance at deflecting it, since Force storm does an arc, and strikes your upper body as apposed to going straight at you like regular lightning. If Revan could hold Yoda with his force storm then Revan could use his free hand, Force storm only requires one hand to do, grab his lightsaber and throw it to the defenseless Yoda trying to absorb/deflect the Force Storm. But, since some Yoda fans won't accept he would go this easily, all Revan has to do is keep on the defensive until Yoda tires out, Dooku and Sids appeared to be defending quite well, but they were old. Revan is in his 30's, so he wouldn't be getting tired anytime soon. After Yoda tires out, his force resistance would go down considerably since he exhausted his force reserves. Then Revan would just defeat him using the force or his lightsaber, maybe he would just go and snap Yoda's neck.
Well, those are my thoughts.
How long does it take to master your lightsaber combat, didn't Dooku master a form in 50 years. If Yoda mastered Aaru at 200 and got his force abilities pretty high around 700 he would be extremely deadly in any form of combat. I know you can always improve but at one point Yoda had to reach an high point that couldn't get any higher. If all you can do is get stronger in the force and Yoda was 900 people like NJO Luke do amazing stuff in their 40's,(Yoda's potential is high, in TPM Qui-Gon says Anakin's midi-count is higher than Yodas in shock.) So Yoda most have a good potential. If you only get stronger and have that high of a potetial you could learn way more than any other being just because you have so much time to perfect your abilities. If all Yoda can do is get stronger than you make him seem weak when Sids beat him because he is so much older.
Originally posted by Apex512
I'm not naive enough to think that Yoda would win just because he is light, Its just something Yoda said. He told Luke the darkside is quicker but not stronger maybe they are equal and maybe the darkside is stronger but it doesn't mean you will win, which is proven by the movies. If you want to call me a fan boy go ahead, I don't mind.You twisted my words to make me appear foolish, or you just misunderstood me about the movie characters and EU characters thing. I was just agreeing with Zamorak about Revan being controversial.
You like Revan(obviously), you don't have to get offended because I don't agree that he'll beat Yoda. You got mad and bashed me because you didn't like the qoutes from Wikipedia and now want to throw them out because there not "official", and there just opinions. Well what Kreia said about Revan being the heart of the force is also just an opinion, and people's thoughts on him being the most powerful Sith lord are just opinions. I'm being nice about this and I will only warn you once to back off.
Fishy you have a good argument even though its all speculation. You also seem to still believe Yoda is in his prime during the movies and I'm just wondering why? He walks on a cane and you can tell he struggles in the movies. I know you can only gain more knowledge in the force, but his physical stamina and strength aren't what they used to be. Frank Oz even says Yoda's old age has taken a toll on him.
1. Twisted your words did I? I've got a direct quote from what you said.
Originally posted by Apex512
Revan wouldn't just handle Yoda, this thread is like a bunch of EU fan boys bashing the movie characters 😛
2. Yoda thinks the Dark Side is not stronger, Sidious does. We can't tell from these two but we can tell from Lucas because he says the dark side is stronger.
3. Yes I like Revan and I'm not getting offended because you like Yoda or even at all. The quotes from Wikipedia are just as good for Revan if not better so I don’t know why you think I got mad about that. I’m just saying that’s not proof that either could beat anyone else. Of course Kreia’s quote of Revan is just an opinion but she was his master and knew him very well, not to mention she’s rarely wrong. As for your warning, what are you going to do? Tell the mods that I called you foolish because you said Yoda in his prime is undefeatable? I do respect you for being nice though.
4. As for Yoda in his prime, we don’t know what that is so we really have to go off of the movies. I personally think Lord Revan is more powerful than Sidious with the Force and could simply overwhelm Yoda with Force Lightning since Yoda was barely holding Sidious’ lightning back. If Yoda at his prime is younger then his Force resistance would surely be weaker and Revan would still kill him with lightning.
Originally posted by HimoKun
Shut the fvck up. You right now, on my chart of importance, is below my last two shits. We, right now, are not arguing those points. You are generalizing the Revan supporters so you can bend the facts your way. Emperor Reva nhas put enough more facts than you could ever get, yet all you say is that you hate Revan supporters. ACTUALLY FIND POINTS TO ARGUE WITH.
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