It does say that about Sidious and it's true. He is the greatest sith lord, not necessarily the most powerful. He was the only one to conquer the galaxy even though Revan could've. It says Lord Revan is thought by many to be the most powerful sith lord of all time. Now obviously there's no proof that Revan is better but most facts support it, some coming from my 4 paragraph list of Revan's power that I've already posted but would be happy to post again.
Let's see. Sidious took over the Republic, and killed the Republic. Revan, had the Republic on it's knees, then turned to the Sith and desecrated their ranks, he then goes off to fight off a new threat, and we believe he defeats it, but that's only speculation. And he's stil probably in his 30's or 40's. I'd say that's a pretty good life.
Not that I'm against Revan, I believe he would win, but without anything to help properly gauge their respective powers, we can't really know. For all we know, Yoda could be defeated by some nonspecial dark Jedi from Kotor, one of those many killed by Revan in the Sith academy or the Star Forge. As for Revan, he also could be defeated by by some no name Jedi or maybe even a youngling from Ep.III, it would be sad, but it is entirely possible.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
It does say that about Sidious and it's true. He is the greatest sith lord, not necessarily the most powerful. He was the only one to conquer the galaxy even though Revan could've. It says Lord Revan is thought by many to be the most powerful sith lord of all time. Now obviously there's no proof that Revan is better but most facts support it, some coming from my 4 paragraph list of Revan's power that I've already posted but would be happy to post again.
It does say "thought" not "is" but still that is a point for revan.
Wikipedia isn't law, it's not canon so it doesn't matter. When it shows opinions it is showing what the majority of the population thinks. When it says "is" it is just showing what they think. And like I said, it just says most powerful Jedi and Darth Revan isn't a Jedi now is he? Lord Revan may have not fought anyone of Yoda's calibur but Yoda hasn't fought anyone of Revan's calibur. Revan's defeated Darth Malak twice in a row and Yoda is slightly stronger than Sidious who still defeated Yoda.
It really just boils down to accomplishments, their knowledge, will power, etc. in which I think Revan wins.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Wikipedia isn't law, it's not canon so it doesn't matter. When it shows opinions it is showing what the majority of the population thinks. When it says "is" it is just showing what they think. And like I said, it just says most powerful Jedi and Darth Revan isn't a Jedi now is he? Lord Revan may have not fought anyone of Yoda's calibur but Yoda hasn't fought anyone of Revan's calibur. Revan's defeated Darth Malak twice in a row and Yoda is slightly stronger than Sidious who still defeated Yoda.It really just boils down to accomplishments, their knowledge, will power, etc. in which I think Revan wins.
Not saying wikipedia is law but if they praise a certain individual its points for them. And sidious I believe is of revans caliber, all that revan has done I believe sidious could of done as well.
Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Wikipedia isn't law, it's not canon so it doesn't matter. When it shows opinions it is showing what the majority of the population thinks. When it says "is" it is just showing what they think. And like I said, it just says most powerful Jedi and Darth Revan isn't a Jedi now is he? Lord Revan may have not fought anyone of Yoda's calibur but Yoda hasn't fought anyone of Revan's calibur. Revan's defeated Darth Malak twice in a row and Yoda is slightly stronger than Sidious who still defeated Yoda.It really just boils down to accomplishments, their knowledge, will power, etc. in which I think Revan wins.
No one of Revan's calibur? Umm...Sidious?
Yes Ive already seen all the garbage revan fanboys post..."Revan had infinite foresight","Revan let himself be shot by malak so he could be stronger","Revan could kill sidious with a wave of his hand","Revan had infinite knowledge","Revan mastered all forms" etc....
P.S. Im not accusing you emperor revan of making garbage posts, although you are bias towards revan you do have quality arguments.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Yes Ive already seen all the garbage revan fanboys post..."Revan had infinite foresight","Revan let himself be shot by malak so he could be stronger","Revan could kill sidious with a wave of his hand","Revan had infinite knowledge","Revan mastered all forms" etc....P.S. Im not accusing you emperor revan of making garbage posts, although you are bias towards revan you do have quality arguments.
Shut the fvck up. You right now, on my chart of importance, is below my last two shits. We, right now, are not arguing those points. You are generalizing the Revan supporters so you can bend the facts your way. Emperor Reva nhas put enough more facts than you could ever get, yet all you say is that you hate Revan supporters. ACTUALLY FIND POINTS TO ARGUE WITH.
Ahhh...I've been a way for a while and it's nice to see that this post is still going on with Emperor Revan,fishy and HimoKun kicking ass as always.
There's not much left to say so I'll just stick to what people haven't seemed to get through their thick heads yet,
-sidious is no Revan. Sidious got voted into office then killed three jedi and arguably got pwned by mace, then he tried to run from yoda (who he then fought to a draw.) sidious only killed three sub-par jedi masters then fought yoda to a draw, barely. Other then that he just got anakin to do everything for him and got voted into office, now lokk at revan.
-Defeated the mandalorians killing them in the thousands, think of them as jango fett but even better, (pretty much the best non force users around.) then he kicked the republics ass killing or turning thousands of jedi, then he destroyed the isth under malak shortly followed by decimating the republic(again) and then going off to fight even more powerful opponents.
Now lets look at their power,
-sidious could use lightning and was able to use more power then his body could withstand.
-Revan had the force knowledge/powers from a jedi archive and two sith planets possibly more, powers that included being able to kill with a wave of your hand. he also had extremely extensive knowledge of lightsaber combat from these sources not only that he had experience using them in countless battle which is much more combat experience then sids who fought like twice. As for the power of their lightning, the amount sidious used was deflected by mace with a lightsaber, Revan could kill up to 6 jedi at the same time with it or 4 rancor with rakatan backing them, now lets throw in that he posses numerous artifacts that skyrocket his power and he would wipe the floor with sidious who as mentioned above fought yoda to a draw.
As far as what wikipedia says, it also says that dooku was a better swordsman then yoda and exar kun as well as anakin despite the fact ani kicks his ass why because it calls him and luke the only two close to comparable with tulak as a great swordsman which means that yoda and exar and mace aren't. What makes sidious greater then exar?or tulak? or sadow who could throw stars at things? that he lied to a whole bunch of people and killed some crappy jedi? If I got the world to beleive that 2+2 was 5 then beat up some 11 year olds with yellow belts would that make me greater then a shaolin master who won every fight he was in and held the world hostage a couple times over?
Finally to tackle a certain idiots post one point at a time, we said revan had the highest level of battle pre-cog not infinite forsight numbnuts, the highest level of pre-cog just so you know is nearly infallible and can predict peoples moves before they think of them as well as entire wars.
-No one ever said that he let himself be shot by malak they merely mentioned it as a possibility, if he knew how much more powerful it would make him ultimatley then why not, it's a possibility nothing more.
-Kreia killed three extrordinarily powerful jedi masters with one wave of her hand and Revan exceeded her in every way by far and was much more powerful so why couldn't he do it to an average sith lord?
-once again you don't know what you're talking about what was said is that revan learned all his sources could teach him, which included a jedi archive and two entire planets worth of knowledge.
-finally Revan didn't necessarily master all the forms but he had extremely extremely good knowledge of them at the minimum as said countless times by now.
So ultimatley, Revan has planets worth of force and lightsaber knowledge, as well as other sources much more combat experience and battle pre-cog at such a level he could not only predict his opponenets moves before he thought of them but predict entire wars. That pwns sidious pretty badly.
he's just as quick, they both use master speed and revan is quicker in his natural state making him just s fast, if it came down to a force power duel there wouldn't be much of a fight revan has over two planets worth of force knowledge and much more raw power, he'd throwing everything sidious has back at him then overwhelm him with either crazy powers or sheer power.
Originally posted by General Zodiac
Revan would be a powerful attacker but Sidious would do the same thing he did with Yoda. Distance himself and use the force. Revan would get hit sense he's not as quick as Yoda and Sidious would kill him.
Your arguing about Sidious in a Yoda vs. Revan thread. What are you smoking?