Yoda(at his peak) VS Darth Revan

Started by Darth Plagues38 pages

All that crap about Darth Revan knowing all the Force techniques and lightsaber forms...is a lie. Your just making this stuff up as you go along. Darth Revan didn't know how to do Battle Meditation, Control gravity, Form black holes, Blow up stars, Move planets, and etc. No Jedi/Sith has mastered all techniques. And the entire thing with lightsaber forms...he doesn't know them all...thats another thing that you made up in your fantasies. NJO Luke Skywalker discovered new Force abilities...Darth Revan just used the ones that have been known to many for years. And about that thing Darth Revan didn't lose. Where were you playing KOTOR. He lost when his bridge got shot. You have built up a character so much...you think he could take on anybody. NJO Luke Skywalker, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, Darth Nihilus, and Yoda could take him down. And another thing about Luke fan boys voting, without arguing. Revan fan boys did the same and during the entire debate you guys told all those lies about him being "The strongest Sith/Jedi ever"...and how he knew all the Force techniques and lightsaber forms. We back our stuff up with true things that actually happened in the EU...don't talk about NJO Luke fans boys, when your over there worshipping a video game character that you made junk up about in your fantasies. Nice try though...

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Revan is an overated dude with a lightsaber and Force...He's not invinsible and all you Revan fan boys make up all this junk and keep posting "He was the best Sith to ever live." If he was really all that powerful, why didn't he make a blackhole and suck the Star Forge up or something...because he can't. Marka Ragnos (The Strongest Sith) would just raise his hand and Darth Revan would be down on the ground dead. And no he's not the strongest Jedi either (NJO Luke Skywalker)...argue with me all you want, but all this Darth Revan worshiping is sickening. Yoda would own this guys silly...

Overrated? No. Overpowered? Maybe but we can't do anything about that. why was he so powerful and why do we rate him so high? I'm glad you asked.

He had Battle precognition, the Will power to resist the Dark side of an entire planet that no one else (not even Kreia) could resist, he controlled the Star Forge, was perhaps the greatest tactician ever, he had enormously high potential, he learned everything about the Jedi from them, plundering tombs, relics, artifacts, and knowledge from a planet sized Sith storehouse of knowledge, learning dozens of ways to kill or turn Jedi/Sith, fighting for 6 years straight as the leader of one of the forces in the two different wars against powerful opponents, he killed Mandalore and the strongest Echani, and was considered by Kreia (the one that killed three Council level Jedi Masters at the same time with one use of the Force) to be the heart of the Force.

Then he loses all that power and becomes a Jedi again, he plunders Korriban, including the tombs of four very powerful dark lords, gaining their artifacts, learning from Tulak's holocron, killing two tarentateks at the same time by himself when just one could easily kill a Jedi, he killed everyone in a Sith academy that he started, he killed the best bounty hunter at that time, a Sith Lord, he killed hundreds of dark Jedi and assassin droids, killed his apprentice Darth Malak, and became even stronger than he was during his first reign (first paragraph).

Then he recovers all his memories and knowledge, increasing his power greatly from the second paragraph, before he goes to fight the ancient Sith empire single handedly.

Now even though Wikipedia says, and I quote "Thought by many to be the most powerful Sith Lord of all time" about Revan, you still think he's no match for Marka Ragnos, which Wikipedia says basically nothing about and the only thing we know is that he was feared by a guy that could use Sith magic to detonate a star. Let's look at the one thing we really do know about Ragnos, how he took over a Dark Jedi master as a spirit and got manhandled by a Jedi Knight. Now let's compare him to Exar Kun's spirit for instance. After 4000 years of waiting, he kills a Jedi padawan and it takes 12 Jedi padawans, the spirits of Luke skywalker and Vodo Siosk merging their powers and two lightsabers to destroy Exar's spirit (whom wasn't in a Force user like Ragnos). Ajunta Pall's spirit fought and lost (though not terribly bad) to Revan who was about a Jedi knight at the time. Ragnos again lost in a Dark Jedi master's body even with his Sith lightning sword to a guy that was weaker than Revan of the time he destroyed Ajunta's spirit.

Now I know all this Revan worshipping is sickening you and Marka is still (in your words) the Strongest Sith you think and would raise his hand and kill Revan but that's not worshipping right there. And you've got plenty of reasons to back it all up I'm sure. You said,.... oh wait, you have no reasons up there. Well that's still much better (not worshipping) by saying Ragnos could kill Revan by raising his hand wihout support then my (worshipping) Lord Revan by listing all of the above reasons of why he is powerful. Oh and I loved what you posted about how Revan should make a black hole to suck up the space station only he controls that makes an endless fleet for him to do with whatever he wants. That was a great line right there. All hail Darth Plagues the Wise! 😛

Darth Revan is one of my most favorite Sith of all time. In KOTR he was hella bad ass and his skill in the Force and Lightsaber knowledge shows. However, I think that if he dueled Yoda at his peak, it would be a draw. I'm just saying this because we don't know much of Yoda before his appearances in the movies. Wow, I'm impressed that at least one of my topics is very successful here. Too bad no ones likes my other ones. Like my Darth Vader Vs Sephiroth or my Darth Vader Vs Milo and Otis.

Yoda was at his peak when he was fighting Sidious and although he showed great power it didn't convince me that he was able to defeat Revan at any time.

Yoda at his peak when he was fighting Sids. Show me the proof, and if so, Yoda would still win. Although I liked Revan in KOTOR, he's overrated. Mastering all the forms, and all that other stuff, just don't believe it, unless you got proof. Proof! I demand proof!

Originally posted by Fishy
I expected better from you Dispit...

Ouch. Sorry, Fishy, sir. I won't make any more images then. Didn't mean to offend anyone. I just hold Yoda above Revan by a little bit, and I think Revan should just be owned every once in a while. I, honestly, believe that Yoda would beat Tulak Hord, who in turn is better than Revan. In the movie, it seemed to me like GL almost contradicted himself with Yoda's fight.

But I hope you can forgive me and that we can move on - please accept my humble apologies for my apparent display of ignorance.

Originally posted by Apex512
Although I liked Revan in KOTOR, he's overrated. Mastering all the forms, and all that other stuff, just don't believe it, unless you got proof. Proof! I demand proof!

Yes, if you have proof that Darth Revan knew all the lightsaber forms and Force techniques post it.

Originally posted by Darth Plagues
Yes, if you have proof that Darth Revan knew all the lightsaber forms and Force techniques post it.

I noticed you didn't even respond to my post. No stupid retort, or did you even read some of these posts?

I say Yoda would win this.

I like Revan and I like KOTOR but that arguments for Revan here are not that great that I would give this fight to him. Lets take a look on the things that speak for Revan:

Lightsaber skills
Sure. He can handle that weapon and he proved that in hundrets of situations. But would that be enough for Yoda ?

Yoda:
- did fight with that weapon for 850 years
- trained thousands of Jedis to use it (Dooku !)
- did practice fights with guys like Dooku, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin (?) and always won
- mastered form VI
- according to "Shadowhunter" he can easily avoid getting hit by three Jedi Council members (Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin and Depa Billaba - probably each of them mastered one lightsaber form) attacking him and that WITHOUT using his lightsaber.

Of course you can argue that Yoda doesn't have that much fighting experience but I say that is because of his "form zero" philosophy. When he uses his lightsaber and is not training somebody will get hurt badly or get killed. Hell...he needed around 30 seconds to make Dooku - probably the best lightsaber duelist of his era (except Yoda) - run away from him because Dooku saw that he can't win. Same with Sidious. In a "fair" fight they would both get wasted in less than a minute. No doubt about that. It is hard to develop decent swordsmanship against a flying mixer aimed with a lightsaber.

Force knowledge
I know many people simply give that to Revan here because he had all that nice Sith stuff to study. I just wonder why nobody took a look at Yodas material.

He had:
- the complete archieves of the Jedi Order (including an impressive collection of holocrons, scrolls and tomes)
- all material that was on board of the Cu'unthar (a whole starship filled with knowledge)
- 900 years to study all this things while Revan had 30 or 40 years (including a decade of fighting).

I don't know how people can actually think, Revan knows more about the force than Yoda does. He has some special knowledge that Yoda might not have but I don't think that would aid him well here since Yoda has an outstanding force defence.

And actually there is a difference between knowledge (Revan) and wisdom (Yoda) or as Yoda himself would say: “Wars not make one great. Kick Revans ass I will."

Revan would win just because he'd cheat, the darkside dont hold back so he wouldn't give yoda a second chance. However yoda might second guess killing Revan which would give him he's chance

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
I say Yoda would win this.

I like Revan and I like KOTOR but that arguments for Revan here are not that great that I would give this fight to him. Lets take a look on the things that speak for Revan:

[B]Lightsaber skills
Sure. He can handle that weapon and he proved that in hundrets of situations. But would that be enough for Yoda ?

Yoda:
- did fight with that weapon for 850 years
- trained thousands of Jedis to use it (Dooku !)
- did practice fights with guys like Dooku, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin (?) and always won
- mastered form VI
- according to "Shadowhunter" he can easily avoid getting hit by three Jedi Council members (Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin and Depa Billaba - probably each of them mastered one lightsaber form) attacking him and that WITHOUT using his lightsaber.

Of course you can argue that Yoda doesn't have that much fighting experience but I say that is because of his "form zero" philosophy. When he uses his lightsaber and is not training somebody will get hurt badly or get killed. Hell...he needed around 30 seconds to make Dooku - probably the best lightsaber duelist of his era (except Yoda) - run away from him because Dooku saw that he can't win. Same with Sidious. In a "fair" fight they would both get wasted in less than a minute. No doubt about that. It is hard to develop decent swordsmanship against a flying mixer aimed with a lightsaber.

Force knowledge
I know many people simply give that to Revan here because he had all that nice Sith stuff to study. I just wonder why nobody took a look at Yodas material.

He had:
- the complete archieves of the Jedi Order (including an impressive collection of holocrons, scrolls and tomes)
- all material that was on board of the Cu'unthar (a whole starship filled with knowledge)
- 900 years to study all this things while Revan had 30 or 40 years (including a decade of fighting).

I don't know how people can actually think, Revan knows more about the force than Yoda does. He has some special knowledge that Yoda might not have but I don't think that would aid him well here since Yoda has an outstanding force defence.

And actually there is a difference between knowledge (Revan) and wisdom (Yoda) or as Yoda himself would say: “Wars not make one great. Kick Revans ass I will." [/B]

I agree, because of all these reasons here.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
I say Yoda would win this.

I like Revan and I like KOTOR but that arguments for Revan here are not that great that I would give this fight to him. Lets take a look on the things that speak for Revan:

[B]Lightsaber skills
Sure. He can handle that weapon and he proved that in hundrets of situations. But would that be enough for Yoda ?

Yoda:
- did fight with that weapon for 850 years
- trained thousands of Jedis to use it (Dooku !)
- did practice fights with guys like Dooku, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin (?) and always won
- mastered form VI
- according to "Shadowhunter" he can easily avoid getting hit by three Jedi Council members (Plo Koon, Saesee Tiin and Depa Billaba - probably each of them mastered one lightsaber form) attacking him and that WITHOUT using his lightsaber.

Of course you can argue that Yoda doesn't have that much fighting experience but I say that is because of his "form zero" philosophy. When he uses his lightsaber and is not training somebody will get hurt badly or get killed. Hell...he needed around 30 seconds to make Dooku - probably the best lightsaber duelist of his era (except Yoda) - run away from him because Dooku saw that he can't win. Same with Sidious. In a "fair" fight they would both get wasted in less than a minute. No doubt about that. It is hard to develop decent swordsmanship against a flying mixer aimed with a lightsaber.

Force knowledge
I know many people simply give that to Revan here because he had all that nice Sith stuff to study. I just wonder why nobody took a look at Yodas material.

He had:
- the complete archieves of the Jedi Order (including an impressive collection of holocrons, scrolls and tomes)
- all material that was on board of the Cu'unthar (a whole starship filled with knowledge)
- 900 years to study all this things while Revan had 30 or 40 years (including a decade of fighting).

I don't know how people can actually think, Revan knows more about the force than Yoda does. He has some special knowledge that Yoda might not have but I don't think that would aid him well here since Yoda has an outstanding force defence.

And actually there is a difference between knowledge (Revan) and wisdom (Yoda) or as Yoda himself would say: “Wars not make one great. Kick Revans ass I will." [/B]

Good points, however:

Revan saber skills/reasons he's better:
-Revan mastered more froms and had more experience using them and knew the ones he didn't 100% master inside out
-form 4 has an easily exploitable weakness as shown by the qui-gon maul fight.
-fought to the death against many many powerful jedi probably most atleast as good as aotc obi-won.
-no one yoda ever fought had a tenth of the power of lord revan
-Revan learned from tulak hord the gretest swordsmen ever, knowing almost everything he has to know and then using it in REAL combat.
-Revan had battle pre-cog which nullifies yoda's speed or ability to dodge attacks as yoda would already know where he was going.
-Revan was one ruthless SOB give him the smallest opening and he'll make you dearly dearly regret it.

Force powers:

Revan had,
-The tombs of all the ancient sith
-a wharehouse full of sith holocrons
- The jedi archives on dantooine and couruscant
-what he learned from kreia

He took all that cumalitvie knowledge and then used it in battle against countless solidiers across the galaxy yoda may have had his fair share of knowledge but he never used it in combat except against dooku and sidious both of whom revan could destroy with his eyes closed two broken hands while in a wheelchair and armed with a stick.

-Yoda's force defense, Revan learned a crapload more than yoda could ever hope to learn let alone learn to defend and once again I'll have to quote kreia on this one, "There are some techniques within the force for which there is no defense."

-Yoda's experience, according to one source I read yoda never participated in the practice duels, so that would leave his only combat experience to the two crappy "sith" he fought and the mindless droids during the clonewars, that being said revan fought,

-thousands of mandalorians
-countless republic solidiers, sith solders and droids
-thousands of force users
-Two dark lords of the sith one who could probably take aotc anakin/obi and the other who was the most powerful force user in the galaxy next to Revan who's power probably rivaled mace's but was a good force user as well, and he easily beat him twice.

-as for his 900 years for learning about the force, all he could learn from were the jedi archives and that ship, Revan had the jedi archives, a planet worth of sith teachings and all the ancient tombs, he didn't need 900 years to study this, he was able to implement it into warfare unlike yoda who couldn't exactly practice force lightning absorption at a jedi temple where none of them could use lightning as well I'm sorry to say this but clonewar jedi SUCKED with the exceptions of mace,yoda,Obi,and maybe anakin despite the fact he's a complete retard. So he could lift stuff and absorb lightning, wow Revan could force kill, drain your life drain your force power, make you go insane give you a debilitating plague, blow up droids with a single lift of his hand and use force lightning to fry a room full of enemies, and his master kreia who he surpassed in every single way could kill 3 jedi MASTERS with a single flick of her wrist and Revan could control an entire sun to make an army.this was without his knowledge from malachor, the sith tombs or the jedi archive. Yoda may have had 900 years to study but he didn't have the sources or the practice revan did or the chance to practice what he did know that much, there's a difference between knowing how to do something and being able to do it, the sull extent of yoda's power was to absorb force lightning an ability hundreds of jedi before him had, kreia could absorb force energy and revan surpassed her easily so its safe to say so could he. Yoda knew a lot about the force but what he did know was no where near comparable to what revan was able to do.

All hail lord Revan...All hail lord Revan...All hail lord Revan

All hail Lord Revan! All hail Lord Revan! All hail Lord Revan!

I was really looking forward to Darth Plagues' reply to my earlier lengthy post. Oh well, at least he's quiet now...

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
All hail Lord Revan! All hail Lord Revan! All hail Lord Revan!

I was really looking forward to Darth Plagues' reply to my earlier lengthy post. Oh well, at least he's quiet now...


Im lord REVAN not you 😠

Oh and seriously people stop saying that 900 years thing. It sure as hell didn't help him much against Sidious. 900 years is nice and all but he wasted a lot of those years doing... I don't know what he was doing but he sure as hell wasn't studying as hard and as much as Revan was.

hmm, well I'm not sure who would win, but while I was reading all the posts, I figured I would correct some things and put in my own 2 cents, here it is:

Revan simply cannot know all styles inside and out, it took Dooku 50 years to master form II alone, Revan cannot master them all in his 35 years. He may have basic knowledge of them all, but mastered them, no.

Yoda fought in the stark hyperspace wars, against the nightsisters and in the clone wars, so he does have experience

Yoda would know more than just ataru, he knows form I and probably more, you don’t live 900 years and only master 2 forms

How do you know nobody that Yoda fought had only a 1/10 of the power as Revan, you say the Yoda guys and fanboys, but to me that in fanboyish, saying that with no hint of proof to back it up

And Revan did not learn form Tulak, he had his HOLOCRON (not the same as learning from a real person. Learning from a holocron is like reading a book and then thinking you are a master, it doesn’t cut it. Also, like I will explain below, he only could have studied from the holocron for one year hardly enough to master it

Also, you say Revan had so much time to train, but he had his, say, 35 years but at first he would have only had access to the padawan stuff. So say he mastered all that and got access to the knight stuff at age 16, then he mastered all that stuff by the age of 28. Then he went off to war, so most of his studies would have stopped, after all, if he was studying, then he was not in combat as much as you say, and if he was in combat as much as you say, then he was not studying very much. After the war was over (age 31), he went a found Malachor V and some info, so say he studied that for a year (because after that he went and started another war). During the war, he is training Malak and fighting, again, not as much studying. After his mind was wiped, he would have learned nothing new, sure he took stuff from Korriban, but he would not have had time to study it. After defeating Malak, he regained his memories, and started studying again, but again, that is only a year, you cannot master the force and the new stuff he had in only a year. So in short, he does not know as much as most people think

Also, Revan could not have studied all day, he had to train Malak, do tactics and organize, fight a war. Also, after studying, he would have had to have some practical application of it, I can read a book all my life on martial arts, but that does not make me a black belt.

About Revan’s confidence in battle before facing the 3 jedi, might I remind you Dooku was confident before facing Anakin, look where it got him. Also, Grevious was confident before facing Obi-Wan, even telling his droids to stand down, look where it got him. Confidence does not shown superior power, it may just be arrogance.

And Wipipedia does have some false stuff Emperor Revan

Hope that helps

Originally posted by Fishy
Oh and seriously people stop saying that 900 years thing. It sure as hell didn't help him much against Sidious. 900 years is nice and all but he wasted a lot of those years doing... I don't know what he was doing but he sure as hell wasn't studying as hard and as much as Revan was.

Damn right FISHY breach the truth!

Yoda is wish but Revan is the Man

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
Revan saber skills/reasons he's better:
-Revan mastered more froms and had more experience using them and knew the ones he didn't 100% master inside out
-form 4 has an easily exploitable weakness as shown by the qui-gon maul fight.
-fought to the death against many many powerful jedi probably most atleast as good as aotc obi-won.
-no one yoda ever fought had a tenth of the power of lord revan
-Revan learned from tulak hord the gretest swordsmen ever, knowing almost everything he has to know and then using it in REAL combat.
-Revan had battle pre-cog which nullifies yoda's speed or ability to dodge attacks as yoda would already know where he was going.
-Revan was one ruthless SOB give him the smallest opening and he'll make you dearly dearly regret it.

1. He mastered more forms ? That is simply not true. He can use all forms. That doesn't mean he MASTERED them.

2. Yoda is not Qui-Gon. Watch that fights. It has weaknesses in defence against multiple opponents (as far as I know Revan is only ONE person) and it has weaknesses in defence. As I said...Yoda doesn't even need a lightsaber to defend himself.

3. It doesn't count how many people you have killed. Otherwise Dooku, Mace and Obi-Wan all should kill Yoda.

4. Tulak Hord is said to be the greatest SITH duelist. Why don't people get that ? That says *nothing* about lightsaber duelist the Jedi Order had.

5. Echani can be killed. Revan can be killed. So much for battle pre-cog.


Revan had,
-The tombs of all the ancient sith
-a wharehouse full of sith holocrons
- The jedi archives on dantooine and couruscant
-what he learned from kreia

He took all that cumalitvie knowledge and then used it in battle against countless solidiers across the galaxy yoda may have had his fair share of knowledge but he never used it in combat except against dooku and sidious both of whom revan could destroy with his eyes closed two broken hands while in a wheelchair and armed with a stick.

Did you miss that one ? Yoda: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack."


-Yoda's force defense, Revan learned a crapload more than yoda could ever hope to learn let alone learn to defend and once again I'll have to quote kreia on this one, "There are some techniques within the force for which there is no defense."

Proof ? Ups...
Kreia was refering to Nihilus so that quote actually doesn't count for Revan.


-Yoda's experience, according to one source I read yoda never participated in the practice duels, so that would leave his only combat experience to the two crappy "sith" he fought and the mindless droids during the clonewars, that being said revan fought,

Yeah. [Sarcasm] Sure you can be a Jedi Master for 900 years WITHOUT training with your lightsaber. 30 generations of Padawans can learn that on their own. They just learn that lightsaber combat and than kick your ass because they had training - somebody might have trained them but not you...why should you ? You are the great master Yoda - and you had none [/Sarcasm]


he didn't need 900 years to study this

Sure. An entire planet of knowledge. Anybody can learn everything there in a few years. I ask myself why people need that long time to study something when you can learn nearly everything about an entire species or culture (in this case 25,000 years of force powers developed) in such a short time period.

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
hmm, well I'm not sure who would win, but while I was reading all the posts, I figured I would correct some things and put in my own 2 cents, here it is:

Revan simply cannot know all styles inside and out, it took Dooku 50 years to master form II alone, Revan cannot master them all in his 35 years. He may have basic knowledge of them all, but mastered them, no.

Yoda fought in the stark hyperspace wars, against the nightsisters and in the clone wars, so he does have experience

Yoda would know more than just ataru, he knows form I and probably more, you don’t live 900 years and only master 2 forms

How do you know nobody that Yoda fought had only a 1/10 of the power as Revan, you say the Yoda guys and fanboys, but to me that in fanboyish, saying that with no hint of proof to back it up

And Revan did not learn form Tulak, he had his HOLOCRON (not the same as learning from a real person. Learning from a holocron is like reading a book and then thinking you are a master, it doesn’t cut it. Also, like I will explain below, he only could have studied from the holocron for one year hardly enough to master it

Also, you say Revan had so much time to train, but he had his, say, 35 years but at first he would have only had access to the padawan stuff. So say he mastered all that and got access to the knight stuff at age 16, then he mastered all that stuff by the age of 28. Then he went off to war, so most of his studies would have stopped, after all, if he was studying, then he was not in combat as much as you say, and if he was in combat as much as you say, then he was not studying very much. After the war was over (age 31), he went a found Malachor V and some info, so say he studied that for a year (because after that he went and started another war). During the war, he is training Malak and fighting, again, not as much studying. After his mind was wiped, he would have learned nothing new, sure he took stuff from Korriban, but he would not have had time to study it. After defeating Malak, he regained his memories, and started studying again, but again, that is only a year, you cannot master the force and the new stuff he had in only a year. So in short, he does not know as much as most people think

Also, Revan could not have studied all day, he had to train Malak, do tactics and organize, fight a war. Also, after studying, he would have had to have some practical application of it, I can read a book all my life on martial arts, but that does not make me a black belt.

About Revan’s confidence in battle before facing the 3 jedi, might I remind you Dooku was confident before facing Anakin, look where it got him. Also, Grevious was confident before facing Obi-Wan, even telling his droids to stand down, look where it got him. Confidence does not shown superior power, it may just be arrogance.

And Wipipedia does have some false stuff Emperor Revan

Hope that helps


Revan was a exteremly fast learner as they said in the game it took him days to master things that others take years, so you don't know how much he know or mastered. Revan was the most Powerful Sith in history and probably the strongest jedi for that matter, thats why he was kept alive. You can't say that about yoda who was equal to mace and mace lost to Sid. Need i say anymore

Originally posted by Revan Souer
Revan was a exteremly fast learner as they said in the game it took him days to master things that others take years, so you don't know how much he know or mastered. Revan was the most Powerful Sith in history and probably the strongest jedi for that matter, thats why he was kept alive. You can't say that about yoda who was equal to mace and mace lost to Sid. Need i say anymore

1.)
Yoda > Mace

2.)
Yoda is said to be the most powerful Jedi ever.

3.)
Where did Mace lost to Sidious ?