Yoda(at his peak) VS Darth Revan

actually Yoda did fight more than you think, he fought against the nightsisters and in the stark hyperspace war, granted not as much as Revan, but he did have combat experience.

For Zhar's line, I wouldn't read to much into it, remember Revan already knew all that stuff from before his mind was wiped, I think it was just coming to the surface again.

To Revan Souer, I completely agree with Emperor Revan, he knows far more about Revan than you do, can argue better for him, has been on longer etc. Plus, I like him better, so if anyone is Revan, it is him, not you

Originally posted by Fishy
Honestly Sasee I can see why you would think Yoda would win, I mean he's great but the best argument you have is 900 years old. And be honest here, how much did those 900 years help him against Sidious?

seems like you have misunderstood me fishy, i haven't brought any arguments for Yoda, didn't want to repeat Nai Fohl.
I have just discussed the "revan- supporting" facts.
Of course I don't think that Yoda's 900 years would give him victory, that would be foolish of me!!

Originally posted by sasee tiin
seems like you have misunderstood me fishy, i haven't brought any arguments for Yoda, didn't want to repeat Nai Fohl.
I have just discussed the "revan- supporting" facts.
Of course I don't think that Yoda's 900 years would give him victory, that would be foolish of me!!

Ohh okay, sorry my bad

Originally posted by Lord Darkstar
actually Yoda did fight more than you think, he fought against the nightsisters and in the stark hyperspace war, granted not as much as Revan, but he did have combat experience.

For Zhar's line, I wouldn't read to much into it, remember Revan already knew all that stuff from before his mind was wiped, I think it was just coming to the surface again.

To Revan Souer, I completely agree with Emperor Revan, he knows far more about Revan than you do, can argue better for him, has been on longer etc. Plus, I like him better, so if anyone is Revan, it is him, not you

Yeah, you're probably right, Yoda did fight more often than I though but Revan was still a quick learner even before his second time, Zhar and others said that too. They expected him to become a champion of the Force.

And thanks for agreeing with me on that last line. 😎

really nice to see people who are willy to agree with others, to change their mind slightly and don't just stand on their own without any proof!!
I like it!!

Yep. What's the point of debating if everyone just goes:

Revan
Yoda
Revan
Revan
Yoda
I'm right you're wrong and notings gonna change my mind.

Obviously there are some of those and will always be but at least there's quite a few cool people that are how you described.

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
Yep. What's the point of debating if everyone just goes:

Revan
Yoda
Revan
Revan
Yoda
I'm right you're wrong and notings gonna change my mind.

Obviously there are some of those and will always be but at least there's quite a few cool people that are how you described.

I'm sorry to get frustrated its just the best arguement I've seen is he's 900 years old which really isn't that great considering all the proof we have for revan as for other places he's fought if you check wikipedia and star wars.com you'll see that he's only fought in the clone wars. I got frustrated because people are thinking yoa would win despite the overwhelming proof to the contrary, please base your opinions off the evidence not because you like someone more I'm not saying this applies to everyone but it certainly applies to some and I'm really sorry if i offended you sasee i wasn't refering to you as much as i was to other who are unwilling to change their minds despite the 6 pages worth of proof we have supporting him, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk and I'm really sorry again but it wasn't directed towards you and I'm just intolerant of people basing their opinions off their feelings instead of the proof, once again really sorry.

read Nai Fohl's and Lord Darkstars posts on page 5, good arguments in my opinion.

To Revan Souer, when Revan and Yoda fight, there would not be other people there, so Revan couldn't make Yoda sacrifice himself

To Frobo actually in the book The Courtship of Princess Leia, it clearly states that Yoda fought the nightsisters, also, it is known that Plo Koon and the jedi fought in the stark hyperspace wars, so since Yoda is a jedi, and is around in that time, it stands to reason that he also fought in the stark hyperspace wars. And if the best arguement you have seen for Yoda is that he is 900, I suggest you go re-read some of my old posts and several others on this thread, there are several reasons besides the fact that he is 900

true, your posts were good!!

thanks

I haven't seen info on yoda's other battles yet but I will look into it there's nothing worse then someone who says something didn't happen just because they don't know about it. as for your other reasons, they're good but there's still a lot of proof for revan having better force knowledge and we've pretty much established that he's a better swordsman, I'm not saying it wouldn't be close, you have some very good reasons it's just that the evidence is leaning towards revan for the moment, once again really sorry about my prievious comments I didn't want to be a jerk I just got really frustrated with certain people, Really really sorry again I feel bad about it. 🙁

Originally posted by sasee tiin
read Nai Fohl's and Lord Darkstars posts on page 5, good arguments in my opinion.

The only real point they have is his age and how much he could have learned in that time.

The fact of the matter is however he wasn't all that much superior to Sidious who didn't learn for 900 years. And Yoda could not have had all the things that Revan had to learn from.

A good point from Nai is the speed thing, yeah Yoda could be a lot faster but once you see his fights you would know that he does very little with it and the Jedi can still block his attacks so he may be faster and it maybe hard to hit him but as long as he doesn't hit Revan who cares about that?

Most of it just keeps on going back to the age thing, and that doesn't help him against Sidious so there is no reason to assume it would help him against Revan who was studying a large part of his life.

And even though Darkstar in his posts heavily limits Revan his time for learning I just can't agree with that. Revan was legendaric, why would he only become a master at 28? Besides he was allowed in those archives long before that he constantly learned more from a lot of Masters. Zhar even admitted to teaching him to much to fast, knowledge that Revan should not have known at that time. Also according to Kreia Revan learned a lot from her and then learned from a lot of other masters but when they had nothing else to teach him he left them again and came back to her.

This doesn't really mean he literally learned everything, but pretty much everything he needed.

Reading threw it again, i've also seen an entire argument about Battle pre-cog thrown away by saying people can be killed.. A waste because it does help Revan a lot. Other arguments there are good, but just not good enough IMO. Nothing that really makes me think Yoda has an edge in anything except for Speed on Revan.

Ps. darkstar you do defend your point of view really well it's nice to debate with someone competent instead of certain, "Revan hands down" or "yoda hands down" people who don't even defend their point of view, your intelligence and that of nai fohls and sasees and others who I've already complimented/am to lazy to list is very much appreciated and is keeping this forum from becoming full of dumb n00b flaming spammers.

Thank you fishy for summing up 6 pages worth of revan arguements into one post pretty much.

Yep, Lord Darkstar and Fishy both have awesome support when they post, so does Darth Frobo.

By the way Lord Darkstar, I take it you're on Yoda's side? Or are you just trying to help his cause a bit?

And Fishy: Sweet post.

well maybe I did limit his learning time a bit too much, but I think that you are overexaggerating his learning time, like I said earlier, it took Dooku 50 years to master form II, even if it only took Revan 25-30 years (still a bit to fast in my opinion), he could only have mastered that and maybe one other form. I have a few other points but I'll gtet back to them later

to Emperor Revan: actually I haven't decided yet which side I am for, but Yoda needed some help against you and Frobo so I took up the cause, I actually don't know as much about Yoda as I would like, so this has been a good learning experience for me as well.

Thanks for the point where you said I have support when I post, its always good to know that you are respected

It's nice to know you're unbiased and i appreciate the intelligence you put behind your posts man, p.s do you know where I could learn more about yoda's other battles, My favourite movie charachter he is.