Power girl vS Wonder Woman

Sorry bout that. Its the armwrestle pic where he states he has the combines strength. Hope this one works.

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050430041910&q=shazam

And yea CM can utilize Zeus's lightning powers as well. But also has the strength. did the first link work?

But the power of Zeus is not the lightning bolt. The lightning bolt is Shazam's. As we saw when Shazam was first bestowed the power,lightning was how every god imbued him and that became the motif from there on. The lightning manifestation pre-dates Zeus. Black Adam has the lightning as well and Zeus is not even a part of his god set.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Its been established in multiple comics INCLUDING DC Encyclopedia. Dialogue in an asrmwrestle, when Superman was talking to Marvel.Jr, MM. What are your sources that say otherwise? Please list them that say CM isnt Supermans equal, then we could end this.

Typical. You STILL haven't gotten beyond the "armwrestle". Again. And Again. You have no proof except dialogue and otherwise. Please. You obviously ignored by my sources. Again.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Superman is faster than WW, yet CM and Superman are about equal in speeds. Diana has the speed of hermes, yet in War of the GOD's, Hermes beat Flash in a race, did he not? So youre saying that Diana is faster than Flash too? Doubt it. Nulled again.

At LEAST get your story right. Wrong. Hermes never beat the Flash. He STOLE his speed for the battle with Mercury. He wanted an extra edge. He used his staff to absorb his powers. You didn't read the story correctly. Or at all.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Guess DC is wrong then huh?

Actually you are. Again. This is clearly inaccurate. And Pre-Crisis.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hope the link worked. It CLEARLY stated that CM is using the COMBINED strength of Hercules AND Atlas. DC wrong again right?

AGAIN with the armwrestle. Get some new material. This all you got isn't it? You SKIPPED all I had to say. No retorts. This isn't proof. You didn't provide a counter with what I had to say. Just inaccurate pics. You don't seem to understand Captain Marvel. After all you seem to believe he can surpass lightspeed and beat Silver Surfer.

Try again. I was expecting better. But this is NOT up to par. Retort my arguements about Wonder Woman. Argue that he is stronger by using valid arguements.

Who cares who's stronger? I say we should discuss who's hotter. I, personally, think it is very close in terms of hot-ness. But PG has bigger boobs, so i give it to her.

Originally posted by armandovalles
Who cares who's stronger? I say we should discuss who's hotter. I, personally, think it is very close in terms of hot-ness. But PG has bigger boobs, so i give it to her.

😆 😆 Agreed.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Sorry bout that. Its the armwrestle pic where he states he has the combines strength. Hope this one works.

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050430041910&q=shazam

This proves nothing. Except the fact that he's getting his ass kicked. This also was written by Grant Morrison. Unfortunately for you Grant Morrison has said many times that he does not know anything about Wonder Woman. In fact he was clueless (as are you) about Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And yea CM can utilize Zeus's lightning powers as well. But also has the strength. did the first link work?

Uh. No. Please. Dear God. Get it into your head.

Strength of Hercules
Power of Zeus (lightening)

Originally posted by jrodslam
But the power of Zeus is not the lightning bolt. The lightning bolt is Shazam's. As we saw when Shazam was first bestowed the power,lightning was how every god imbued him and that became the motif from there on. The lightning manifestation pre-dates Zeus. Black Adam has the lightning as well and Zeus is not even a part of his god set.

Wrong again. Please get your history right. The Power of Shazam does NOT pre-date Zeus. The Godwave thousands of years ago created a set of new gods including the Egyptian and Greek Pantheon. Shazam has only been around for 5 thousand years. Zeus was around when the planet was a smoldering lava pit. He was one of Gaea and Chronos children. His age is in the billions. You're saying a wizard pre-dates Zeus? Pfft.

Black Adam wields the Power of Rama. He is the equivalent of Zeus for the Egyptian Pantheon.

You think Shazam is OLDER than the Gods? Please. He asks for some of their power to embue on a mortal. The Gods give Shazam the power. Shazam NEVER possessed the power on his own.

"thank you, thank you very much."

Zeus = Presence, right jrodslam? 😖hifty:

No. It's more Shazam=Godwave/Presence to him.

Zeus is REALLY weak nowadays. His power depends on faith. And nobody's worshipping him nowadays.

Originally posted by Draco69
This proves nothing. Except the fact that he's getting his ass kicked. This also was written by Grant Morrison. Unfortunately for you Grant Morrison has said many times that he does not know anything about Wonder Woman. In fact he was clueless (as are you) about Wonder Woman.

Uhh it proves that he can indeed combine strengths. Its stated in the scan. Think what you want. What does CM having the ability to combine his powers have to do with him(grant) not knowing about WW? Facts are facts. You have yet shown ANY type of proof saying WW is stronger than CM.

Originally posted by Draco69
Strength of Hercules
Power of Zeus (lightening)

Can you read? The power of Zeus isnt just lightning.
http://flarenova.com/shazam/temp/wf254_power3.jpg

Regardelss of what came first, Zeus's power that CM gets isnt the lightning. He gets that from Shazam. He is able to trow lightning in ADDITION to Zeus's power. And also able to use the Gods different abilities.

Originally posted by Draco69
You think Shazam is OLDER than the Gods? Please. He asks for some of their power to embue on a mortal. The Gods give Shazam the power. Shazam NEVER possessed the power on his own.

What I was trying to say was that Shazams scorce of power is different from CM's powers. Shazam was CM before Billy, but his powers werent from the same Gods as Billy.

Originally posted by Draco69
Zeus is REALLY weak nowadays. His power depends on faith. And nobody's worshipping him nowadays.

But at the time CM got his powers, that wasnt the case. Thereore CM isnt weak because of it. So that means nothing.

Ive proven CM can combine differnt GOds strengths when you said he couldnt.

Ive proved he and Superman are equals when you said they werent.

You have yet to prove anything you say.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Uhh it proves that he can indeed combine strengths. Its stated in the scan. Think what you want. What does CM having the ability to combine his powers have to do with him(grant) not knowing about WW? Facts are facts. You have yet shown ANY type of proof saying WW is stronger than CM.

Any proof. Did ya read my prior posts. You obviously haven't. You haven't retorted them. You're avoiding the subject like the plague.

Again:

CM: Strength of Hercules
WW: Strength of Gaea greater than of Hercules

Zeus himself said her power was greater than that of Captain Marvel. AND Athena.

Facts are facts. You refuse to recognize it. Your knowledge of CM's history AND powers is flawed. For god's sake you think he can go past the speed of light.

What does no knowledge of WW have to do with CM? Everything. Which is precisely what I am arguing. CM has the power of the gods? So what? Wonder Woman was created to be more powerful than the said gods. Hercules? Beat him. Hercules admited she was stronger. Hermes? Beat him. She outraced him to the underworld of Hades. Hermes said she was faster. You refuse to either acknowledge or recognize these facts.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Regardelss of what came first, Zeus's power that CM gets isnt the lightning. He gets that from Shazam. He is able to trow lightning in ADDITION to Zeus's power. And also able to use the Gods different abilities.What I was trying to say was that Shazams scorce of power is different from CM's powers. Shazam was CM before Billy, but his powers werent from the same Gods as Billy.

The power of Zeus IS the lightening. Zeus' power is the magic lightning bolt that transforms Billy into Cap and vice versa. You refuse to recognize this. You have the History COMPLETELY wrong. Listen and Learn:

Ever wondered what SHAZAM stood for:

For Captain Marvel, Shazam stands for thus:

Solomon wisdom
Hercules strength
Atlas stamina
Zeus power
Achilles courage
Mercury speed

For Black Adam, Shazam stands for thus:

Shu stamina
Hershef strength
Amon power
Zehuti wisdom
Anpu speed
Menthu courage

And finally for Shazam HIMSELF, his own name stands for thus (it was ORIGNAL name):

Voldar strength
Lumium wisdom
Arel speed
Ribalvei power
Elbiam courage
Marzosh stamina

You see? Shazam the wizard petitions for the god's powers and embues them into a mortal. Shazam NEVER possessed his own power. The powers came from the gods. The elder god for each pantheon would represent the lightening for EACH generation.

Originally posted by jrodslam
But at the time CM got his powers, that wasnt the case. Thereore CM isnt weak because of it. So that means nothing.

Wrong. When did he get his powers? A few years ago? What you think there was sudden dive in worshippers for Zeus during those years? Please.

That's why he agreed to spend a portion of his power into Captain Marvel in the first place: so he could get more worshippers.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ive proven CM can combine differnt GOds strengths when you said he couldnt.

He can't. You haven't proven anything. Especially the lightspeed bit.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ive proved he and Superman are equals when you said they werent.

They aren't CM is weaker and slower than Wonder Woman. Who in turn is weaker Superman.

You haven't proven that Captain Marvel is stronger or faster than Wonder Woman. And you can't.

You still rely on an armwrestle, an outdated (Pre-Crisis) pic, and completely wrong "facts" about CM's history.

Originally posted by jrodslam
You have yet to prove anything you say.

I have. You skipped over it. And ignored it. STILL haven't retorted it have you?

Originally posted by Draco69
Any proof. Did ya read my prior posts. You obviously haven't. You haven't retorted them. You're avoiding the subject like the plague.

Again:

CM: Strength of Hercules
WW: Strength of Gaea greater than of Hercules

Zeus himself said her power was greater than that of Captain Marvel. AND Athena.

Facts are facts. You refuse to recognize it. Your knowledge of CM's history AND powers is flawed. For god's sake you think he can go past the speed of light.

What does no knowledge of WW have to do with CM? Everything. Which is precisely what I am arguing. CM has the power of the gods? So what? Wonder Woman was created to be more powerful than the said gods. Hercules? Beat him. Hercules admited she was stronger. Hermes? Beat him. She outraced him to the underworld of Hades. Hermes said she was faster. You refuse to either acknowledge or recognize these facts.

The power of Zeus IS the lightening. Zeus' power is the magic lightning bolt that transforms Billy into Cap and vice versa. You refuse to recognize this. You have the History COMPLETELY wrong. Listen and Learn:

Ever wondered what SHAZAM stood for:

For Captain Marvel, Shazam stands for thus:

Solomon wisdom
Hercules strength
Atlas stamina
Zeus power
Achilles courage
Mercury speed

For Black Adam, Shazam stands for thus:

Shu stamina
Hershef strength
Amon power
Zehuti wisdom
Anpu speed
Menthu courage

And finally for Shazam HIMSELF, his own name stands for thus (it was ORIGNAL name):

Voldar strength
Lumium wisdom
Arel speed
Ribalvei power
Elbiam courage
Marzosh stamina

You see? Shazam the wizard petitions for the god's powers and embues them into a mortal. Shazam NEVER possessed his own power. The powers came from the gods. The elder god for each pantheon would represent the lightening for EACH generation.

Wow. Guy knows his stuff. I never noticed that. S.H.A.Z.A.M.

Originally posted by Draco69
Any proof. Did ya read my prior posts. You obviously haven't. You haven't retorted them. You're avoiding the subject like the plague.

Again:

CM: Strength of Hercules
WW: Strength of Gaea greater than of Hercules

Im not denyint that CM: Strength of Hercules. If you read my previous posts, I said that CM can COMBINE strengrths as he did with Superman. For some reason, you fail to understand.

Originally posted by Draco69
Zeus himself said her power was greater than that of Captain Marvel. AND Athena.

Greater than them combined? Nope. CM combined the strength of Hercules AND Atlas. Thus was equal to Superman in strength. If WW is stronger than that(which she isnt) Then you must think shes stronger than Superman to huh?

Originally posted by Draco69
Hercules? Beat him. Hercules admited she was stronger.

When was this?

Originally posted by Draco69
Hermes? Beat him. She outraced him to the underworld of Hades. Hermes said she was faster.

Hermes also beat Flash. WW is faster than him too right?

Originally posted by Draco69
The power of Zeus IS the lightening. Zeus' power is the magic lightning bolt that transforms Billy into Cap and vice versa. You refuse to recognize this. You have the History COMPLETELY wrong.

Not so. Youre the one who's completely wrong.

Foe - "IMPPOSSIBLE!. Not even Hercules could uproot that enchanted plant!"

CM - "But I have the power of Zeus-The Fater of the Gods. That power ADDS to my others, giving my the wisdom of Solomon AND Zeus...The strength of Hercules AND Zeus."

Still dont wanna believe it? From DC comics itself. READ!!
http://flarenova.com/shazam/temp/wf254_power3.jpg

Originally posted by Draco69
Shazam NEVER possessed his own power. The powers came from the gods. The elder god for each pantheon would represent the lightening for EACH generation.

I never said Shazam possesed his owm powers. Where'd you get that one from?

Originally posted by Draco69
He can't. You haven't proven anything. Especially the lightspeed bit.

With that, ive stated that CM has dodged the lightning bols he calls. Regular lightning moves at about 90,000 miles per second. I assume a Gods lightning is faster. Either case, ill give you the speed bit.

Originally posted by Draco69
They aren't CM is weaker and slower than Wonder Woman. Who in turn is weaker Superman.

Yet in every display of strength between Supes ans CM, they were said to be equals. Dc Encyclopedia states it. Armwrestling contest which i showed. Superman talking to CM. Jr and Mary Marvel. And even MM to Aquaman.

Can you show somewhere where it says CM isnt equal to Supes?

Originally posted by Draco69
You haven't proven that Captain Marvel is stronger or faster than Wonder Woman. And you can't.[/Q]

Ive proved CM=SM..........SM>WW. 1+1=2

Originally posted by Draco69
[B]You still rely on an armwrestle, an outdated (Pre-Crisis) pic,

Yup. And dont forget about the DC Encyclopedia. Can you prove otherwise? Until then, say no more.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Im not denyint that CM: Strength of Hercules. If you read my previous posts, I said that CM can COMBINE strengrths as he did with Superman. For some reason, you fail to understand.

He can't. For the last time. He can't. The power of Zeus merely provides him lightening attacks AND transforms him into Captain Marvel.

And the pic is Pre-Crisis.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Greater than them combined? Nope. CM combined the strength of Hercules AND Atlas. Thus was equal to Superman in strength. If WW is stronger than that(which she isnt) Then you must think shes stronger than Superman to huh?

Do you have short term memory?

Strength of Hercules
Stamina of Atlas.

It's not the Strength of Hercules with a extra dose of the Strength of Atlas. Please. The spell ONLY invokes the STAMINA of Atlas. You refuse to recognize this. Which is pretty sad because this is one of the basics of CM's history.

This is what the Stamina of Atlas provides:

Captain Marvel has the stamina of Atlas, who was known to hold the whole world on his shoulders for eons. From that, Cap, as he is sometimes called, can go for nearly twenty-four solid hours at peak efficiency, without tiring signifcantly. He can also hold his breath for roughly fifteen hours at a time, and is very resistant (although not immune) to most gases and poisons known to mortal men. He also is nigh invulnerable to damage, able to withstand forces that would easily kill most. Only those of equally powerful mystical or Kryptonian origin would be close to or more invulnerable to damage as those imbued with the power of Shazam. Cap can easily survive the rigors of miles of 'below sea level' pressure, gets only mildly warm in the heart of a volcano, and can survive the vacuum of space for a few hours, with care. He can stay awake for nearly forty hours without significant fatigue, but like anyone else, cannot go indefinitely without food, water, or sleep.

The Stamina of Atlas is just another word Foooooor: Invulnerability.

Originally posted by jrodslam
When was this?

Wonder Woman #41. She kicked his ass off the damn island.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hermes also beat Flash. WW is faster than him too right?

Wrong again. Hermes is the god of speed. Guess what happened to Flash. Hermes STOLE his speed. And Diana already beat Hermes. TWICE. In the same goddamn issue as the above.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not so. Youre the one who's completely wrong.

I think my crediability is ALOT more viable then a guy who readily believes that: Zeus=Presence, CM is FASTER than light, and CM can beat Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Foe - "IMPPOSSIBLE!. Not even Hercules could uproot that enchanted plant!"

CM - "But I have the power of Zeus-The Fater of the Gods. That power ADDS to my others, giving my the wisdom of Solomon AND Zeus...The strength of Hercules AND Zeus."

Still dont wanna believe it? From DC comics itself. READ!!

I read. You can't. Two words: PRE-CRISIS.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I never said Shazam possesed his owm powers. Where'd you get that one from?

You specifically said the lightening comes from Shazam. Newsflash: It doesn't.

Originally posted by Draco69
I read. You can't. Two words: PRE-CRISIS.

Actually it's one compound word. smartass

Originally posted by jrodslam
With that, ive stated that CM has dodged the lightning bols he calls. Regular lightning moves at about 90,000 miles per second. I assume a Gods lightning is faster. Either case, ill give you the speed bit.

So? Diana dodged AND deflected lightening from Zeus himself.

You FINALLY agree that CM is NOT faster than light? One down at least.

Originally posted by jrodslam
et in every display of strength between Supes ans CM, they were said to be equals. Dc Encyclopedia states it. Armwrestling contest which i showed. Superman talking to CM. Jr and Mary Marvel. And even MM to Aquaman.

Of course they said such things. You don't get it. They're both "Supermen". They have capes. They can fly. They're incredibly strong. They're very similar. So of course they're gonna create a "rivalry" of a sense between them. You clinging to the same things: dialogue and pics. So what if they said they're equals. They aren't . I've proven that Wonder Woman is stronger AND faster than CM. You STILL haven't retorted this.

Superman>Wonder Woman>Captain Marvel

Originally posted by jrodslam
Can you show somewhere where it says CM isnt equal to Supes?

A fact I really need to get down is thus: You're referencing PRE-CRISIS Captain Marvel. Guess what? Pre-Crisis Captain Marvel had the power of Zeus to combine his abilities. The pics are nullified. Looked it up. The pics are PRE-CRISIS. Pre-crisis was when and where the power of Zeus enhance his other abilities further to make him pre-crisis Superman's equal. Post -Crisis is a WHOLE different animal.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ive proved CM=SM..........SM>WW. 1+1=2

No. You haven't. You got it completely wrong. You relied on Pre-Crisis Captain Marvel to make your points. Which is a great folly. I don't particularly blame you since the lines between Pre and Post are hard to distinguish.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yup. And dont forget about the DC Encyclopedia. Can you prove otherwise? Until then, say no more.

I have. You haven't. You relied on Pre-Crisis or rather OUTDATED information. Your pics are nullified. They are pre-crisis.

And I don't have the book.