Again an excellent post Oswald, I am no longer posting on this thread as I feel it is now degenerating into those people who gossip and those that understand how society works.
Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
So many people like to bash the legal system when they disagree with a verdict. I'm still waiting for someone to come up with a better system of justice. Please tell me how it can be better.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
They have to if they feel there is reasonable doubt. The evidence from previous cases was provided to show a pattern. They could only use that evidence to decide whether an apparent pattern existed. They could not use the evidence that he may have molested other boys have any bearing as to whether he molested this boy. That's how it works I guess.
Thanks for that...
I was actually asking: since you take the jury's opinion of his past activities as gospel, you obviously believe them in the present case, ie his being innocent?
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Thanks for that...I was actually asking: since you take the jury's opinion of his past activities as gospel, you obviously believe them in the present case, ie his being innocent?
They did not say he was innocent, they merely said that there was evidence either presented or not presented that raised a questionable doubt. They went by the rules and parameters given to them.
And I am not taking the jury's words as gospel, merely raising the point to people who have said "the jury has spoken michael is innocent" that they jhave also said that they think he has molested children in the past.
finti.. i am shocked by what u have said, coming from some 1 i respect a lot the judicial system is as close as you can get to the truth, no1 can never know the truth, only accuser and mj know.the judicial system in the US sometimes turns into a farce. One of the times it does was this circus of a trial, enough money buy the best lawyer that bend the real truth into an advantage for the accused.
No one in the public can say whether he is guilty or not because we have yet to read the court documents. I'm not saying he is innocent nor am I saying he is guilty. I'm saying that you should get all the facts before making an assumption. Most people think that MJ is guilty just because he is different. Do you hate Jews too? (Jk)
Originally posted by jnr hiphop
I don't know much about Michael Jackson. But I think he is innocent. Is there proof that MJ really DID molest kids? If not, I think it's just rumours and people just starting this stuff to make money. Anyways, I don't really know though.
The Jurors in this trial were exposed to evidence from past years and many were convinced that he HAD molested kids in the past, however he wasn't being tried for them this time round and they aquitted him relating to the Arvizo case...
...Its also disturbing that the main thing that convinced one juror in particular to vote not guilty, was that she didn't like the way that Mrs.Arvizo waved her finger while talking... Rather than anything pertaining to evidence... 😕
Agreed. That WOULD be disturbing. And there are a few of 'em about im sure....
...But I certainly am not one of them and there are just as many if not more people who have heard the outcome (All facets) and realised that MJ while being cleared in this, is not whiter than white here by a long stretch than the un-informed ill-wishers you refer to..... 🙂
Well, AC, Im not doing that. I've thought of him as innocent since I stepped foot in this thread and it will stay that way.
One thing I watched on the news last night was that they actually showed the porn magazine IN the trial. This 21 year old jurur (I think #7), and what he said I agree with, said that any person on this earth has their own right to read any type of magazine that they want. And why Im saying this is because maybe the accuser glanced over while Michael was taking something from his drawer or something and saw it, turned it over to a whole big scene..and from there on.!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Most disturbing thing about all this?Alot of people here are actually acting as though they'd prefer him to be a child molester so they'd have something to say.
-AC
some people do seem to present that sadistic nature.
but i think the majority are concerned that he may have actually done it.
is it not concievable that he did it and got off because of solid top dollar legal representation and the incredibility of the particular parents who, knowing jackson MIGHT be a child molester, threw their own flesh and blood into the fire with hopes of turning over a profit?
as KD has brought up, jury members have stated that they feel he is suspect, but in this particular case, reasonable doubt was found. people (majority) arent saying "HE DID IT!!!" but more like this: the verdict and the truth, though they may be the same, are completely unrelated.
like i said many times before, i hope he didnt do it. i could give a rats ass about MJ, but if he did, thats one more molester sharing oxygen with the rest of us, and damaging children for pleasure.
i think what bothers most people is the lack of assurance.
That's fine, PVS.
But he got acquitted, after all this time. Instead of making excuses (not saying you are), people should realise that he hasn't been convicted of molesting children because there is not enough evidence to.
It should be a weight off every paedophile hater's mind.
But seemingly people would willingly trade the sexual abuse of a child in return for seeing MJ go to jail.
Which is quite disgusting.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's fine, PVS.But he got acquitted, after all this time. Instead of making excuses (not saying you are), people should realise that he hasn't been convicted of molesting children because there is not enough evidence to.
It should be a weight off every paedophile hater's mind.
all the remaining uncertainty keeps me uneasy about it. i understand that there is rarely(if ever) absolute certainty in legal matters, but there is such a shroud over mj's lifestyle, the past out-of-court settlements... im uncomfortable with it. but we've gone over all those issues before, so lets let that rest.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But seemingly people would willingly trade the sexual abuse of a child in return for seeing MJ go to jail.Which is quite disgusting.
i think some people have such an idiotic outlook and dependency on the media that they would have no problem with a sacrificial lamb. i find that disgusting as well.
i really dont think they make up anything close the majority though.
its just that many people with the tiniest brains have the biggest mouths,
so it may seem that way.
Originally posted by finti
just because they failed to produce substantial evidence doesnt mean that MJ hasnt molested a child though.
You could apply that rationale to almost every single crime ever.
You don't, because it's a stupid rationale.
If 15 years worth of probing, picking, trials and evidence - or lack thereof - can't convict him, I'm pretty sure he didn't do it.
PVS, the lifestyle is really irrelevent. It is. The out of court settlements, to me, just make the accusers look shit. Not MJ. The fact that they let themselves get paid of does them more damage than it does to MJ in my eyes.
But again, that is my eyes.
-AC