Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
PVS, the lifestyle is really irrelevent. It is. The out of court settlements, to me, just make the accusers look shit. Not MJ. The fact that they let themselves get paid of does them more damage than it does to MJ in my eyes.
its not a competition of who looks like shit. they ALL look like shit.
MJ for offering hush money, and the parents for taking it.
Originally posted by PVS
all the remaining uncertainty keeps me uneasy about it. i understand that there is rarely(if ever) absolute certainty in legal matters, but there is such a shroud over mj's lifestyle, the past out-of-court settlements... im uncomfortable with it. but we've gone over all those issues before, so lets let that rest.i think some people have such an idiotic outlook and dependency on the media that they would have no problem with a sacrificial lamb. i find that disgusting as well.
i really dont think they make up anything close the majority though.
its just that many people with the tiniest brains have the biggest mouths,
so it may seem that way.
Im following my heart on this one, with the help of the trial's decisions
Originally posted by Morbid4Daniel
Im following my heart on this one, with the help of the trial's decisions
unwise
follow your heart in personal affairs that warrant such faith, but not with someone you dont know in any way. i think the truth is that you dont WANT him to be guilty of such a crime because you want to believe he is a good natured person. thats fine, but dont let it cloud your ability to step back and view such a situation objectively. i think thats a mistake many people make.
You don't, because it's a stupid rationaleso factual stuff is stupid to you?
If 15 years worth of probing, picking, trials and evidence - or lack thereof - can't convict him, I'm pretty sure he didn't do ithe`s just good at hiding his crime
The out of court settlements, to me, just make the accusers look shit. Not MJ. The fact that they let themselves get paid of does them more damage than it does to MJ in my eyes.and why did MJ pay if he is so innocent. Paying it makes MJ guilty in my eyes but thats is in my eyes
Originally posted by finti
so factual stuff is stupid to you?
It's not factual. Next.
Originally posted by finti
he`s just good at hiding his crime
No, it's not that. It's just you being stupidly biased. Nothing more or less.
Next.
Originally posted by finti
and why did MJ pay if he is so innocent. Paying it makes MJ guilty in my eyes but thats is in my eyes
It doesn't factually make him guilty. Only an impressionable fool would say a thing such as that. Paying someone off made him look bad in the eyes of many, it didn't make him guilty of child molestation.
It just makes the father look like there was nothing but gold digging in the first place.
-AC
It's not factual. Next.i think it is
No, it's not that. It's just you being stupidly biased. Nothing more or less.biased, yeah right . Too many things that points in Mj s direction so if you add them up you aint biased. To call people who thinks MJ is guilty as biased is a weak ass argument used by his delutional fans.
Only an impressionable fool would say a thing such as that. Paying someone off made him look bad in the eyes of many, it didn't make him guilty of child molestation.so if he aint guilty why pay off? Only a complete moron pays someone off for the "fun" of it
Originally posted by finti
i think it is
You can't think something is factual. I can deny it, so can and do millions of others. It's not a fact.
Originally posted by finti
biased, yeah right . Too many things that points in Mj s direction so if you add them up you aint biased. To call people who thinks MJ is guilty as biased is a weak ass argument used by his delutional fans.
I don't call people who think he is guilty, biased. There is no outstanding reason to believe so, and people who generally do, have some kind of biased in there. That's a fact. His lifestyle and other irrelevent things come into play, things that don't even matter. People call him guilty on the grounds of "He's weird." So yeah, think next time. I'm not saying the biased is one way, but it's certainly more biased against than there is for. And you're one of them. Evidence? First quote.
Originally posted by finti
so if he aint guilty why pay off? Only a complete moron pays someone off for the "fun" of it
Only he knows that. Not I. I'm merely pointing out, my heavily skulled friend, that paying off does not equal child molestation as you singularly failed to realise.
We can continue this when you get some sense.
-AC
You can't think something is factual. I can deny it, so can and do millions of others. It's not a fact.they will deny that even if the evidence didnt provide for it there is a chance that MJ molested children?
People call him guilty on the grounds of "He's weird." So yeah, think next time. I'm not saying the biased is one way, but it's certainly more biased against than there is for. And you're one of them. Evidence? First quote.first you dont know why I think he is guilty, I never said the reason so you calling me biased is the biased thing here. So take your think next time advice and use it yourself
Only he knows that. Not I. I'm merely pointing out, my heavily skulled friend, that paying off does not equal child molestation as you singularly failed to realise.We can continue this when you get some sense.oh I love these selfproclaimed arrogant morons who think so highly of themselves.
Originally posted by finti
first you dont know why I think he is guilty, I never said the reason so you calling me biased is the biased thing here. So take your think next time advice and use it yourself
seriously AC, to attempt to label someone's opinion with a prefabricated steriotype, when you really have no idea why they think what they do is totally biased. you need to finally come around and understand that.
that would be like me saying "you just think he's innocent because he's a great entertainer" and then going on to argue that point.
Originally posted by finti
they will deny that even if the evidence didnt provide for it there is a chance that MJ molested children?
I don't deny that chance, by any means. Doesn't mean I think he did he, because I don't. You're a potential murderer, doesn't mean you have committed one.
Originally posted by finti
first you dont know why I think he is guilty, I never said the reason so you calling me biased is the biased thing here. So take your think next time advice and use it yourself
So say it, right?
Saying things like how he doesn't cover up his crime well etc. You've already decided for sure there is a crime so vehemently that it's quite apparant there's biased involved. If I had been shown evidence to believe he was guilty, then I'd admit so. I haven't.
Originally posted by finti
oh I love these selfproclaimed arrogant morons who think so highly of themselves.
Setteling out of court on accusation of child molesting is half way admiting that it actually went on.
Hahaha, half way in who's logic? Oh, yeah. Yours.
Shit logic. Actually the worst logic ever. Settling out of court therefore equals a near guilty admission. It made him look bad in the eyes of many, not the wisest move, but it certainly is in no way a near admission.
Oh, and I love the way Finti makes a post of complete and utter BS and the only part that gets picked out is to turn around and say I'm wrong.
Unbelievable hypocricy on this forum.
-AC
oh get a grip and put a big bandaid on that ego of yours.
im only pointing out a sour debate tactic. sometimes you assume too much and then go on to debate your own assumption. thats all i was saying and nothing more. as far as who is 'right', i dont give a shit because both your opinions and mine as well are completely insignificant and based on ALL our own biases. you proved to also be an active participant in your post to finti, so dont claim to be above it all.
Oh, and I love the way Finti makes a post of complete and utter BS and the only part that gets picked out is to turn around and say I'm wrong.Im so glad that you are so arrogant that you doent even see when you actually becomes the part that you accuse other of being.
Shit logic. Actually the worst logic ever. Settling out of court therefore equals a near guilty admission. It made him look bad in the eyes of many, not the wisest move, but it certainly is in no way a near admissionif that was shit logic why did it make him look bad and why wasnt it a wise move?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Now arrange the first line into a coherent sentence.Though what I THINK you mean is: I don't see when I become what I am accusing others of?
I'm not. So let's get relevent:
Try answering my question, Finti.
You moaned that I never knew why you thought he was guilty. So share.
Why?
-AC
If it quacks like a duck...It's a duck...
You moaned that I never knew why you thought he was guilty. So share.I think that the evidence provided in this case and evidence from back to 1993 is enough to prove his guilt, to many the most anticipated evidence the alleged drawing of MJ s private part never made it to and one can wonder why. I think the prosecution made some bad choices when it came to witnesses and it puzzles me that MJ himself didnt have to take the stand. I know they have some sort of laws in the states for the accused not having to take the stand. Im not really sure what that laws says though
Originally posted by finti
I think that the evidence provided in this case and evidence from back to 1993 is enough to prove his guilt
The juries didn't, but go on. I'm sure it'll be intriguing...
Originally posted by finti
to many the most anticipated evidence the alleged drawing of MJ s private part never made it to and one can wonder why. I think the prosecution made some bad choices when it came to witnesses and it puzzles me that MJ himself didnt have to take the stand. I know they have some sort of laws in the states for the accused not having to take the stand. Im not really sure what that laws says though
You're not sure of much are you really?
-AC