Mother of Slain Soldier Delivers Powerful Speech Against Bush

the woman has every right to be aggrieved with the Bush administration if thats who she chooses to blame

its not the the opinion i object to...its the way the certain political and media powers pounce on it to support their own political agenda and use it merely as a tool for attacking the administration

i have seen an interview with a father who lost his son in iraq and still fully supports the war...

my question would be why does that get sidelined when the opposite opinion gets full media coverage?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
bilb relax, as annoying as some of his commentary can be, Big Evil only says the stuff he says to get a reaction, don't bite.

Well, her son would not have been in Iraq if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq for whatever his reason of the moment is. I don't think this woman was so naive as to think that her son might no die during his service in the military. I would think that she is angry that her son died in a very questionable war that was put into motion for very questionable reasons.

And you know what, the woman's son got killed, if she wants to be a ittle selfish, she's entitled.

iknow Kharma.. and thanks.. I generally try NOT to bite at such idiocy but this one just flew all over me. Until you have lost a child you have NO idea what its like.. and i agree she is entitled to a bit of selfishness

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Well, her son would not have been in Iraq if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq for whatever his reason of the moment is.

Working for the military is DANGEROUS work. He knew that when he enlisted, he took the responsibility. So yes, I'd say it to the woman's face "you're a selfish b-itch". Because that was HIS life, and HIS descision. I would think you idiots would understand considering you seem to think it's okay to suck a baby out of a tube. You're expers in killing children. But then, that's a differant discussion isn't it?

The fact of the matter is he knew the risks and was willing to do it. So his mother should respect her son enough to grim and bare the loss. Yes it's tragic, but people die. We all will have to face it eventualy. And wouldn't you rather die a hero then on the toilet eating a ham sandwhich?

Becoming a soldier and expecting not to die, is like hireing a hooker and expecting not to get an STD. It's nobody's fault for you own, and no-one should, nor has to take the blame for your own mistakes. Period.

Originally posted by Big Evil
No, he just would've died in some other war.
Or from some weapon accident.
Or from some mishap whilst doing his job.

Working for the military is DANGEROUS work. He knew that when he enlisted, he took the responsibility. So yes, I'd say it to the woman's face "you're a selfish b-itch". Because that was HIS life, and HIS descision. I would think you idiots would understand considering you seem to think it's okay to suck a baby out of a tube. You're expers in killing children. But then, that's a differant discussion isn't it?

The fact of the matter is he knew the risks and was willing to do it. So his mother should respect her son enough to grim and bare the loss. Yes it's tragic, but people die. We all will have to face it eventualy. And wouldn't you rather die a hero then on the toilet eating a ham sandwhich?

Becoming a soldier and expecting not to die, is like hireing a hooker and expecting not to get an STD. It's nobody's fault for you own, and no-one should, nor has to take the blame for your own mistakes. Period.

Then why arent YOU over there big man??

Hmm....certain posts in this thread are becoming rather personal and very sensitive. I would suggest to please watch your words towards each other. If you disagree with another member you can always debate without any flamming.

WD

Originally posted by Big Evil
No, he just would've died in some other war.
Or from some weapon accident.
Or from some mishap whilst doing his job.

Working for the military is DANGEROUS work. He knew that when he enlisted, he took the responsibility. So yes, I'd say it to the woman's face "you're a selfish b-itch". Because that was HIS life, and HIS descision. I would think you idiots would understand considering you seem to think it's okay to suck a baby out of a tube. You're expers in killing children. But then, that's a differant discussion isn't it?

The fact of the matter is he knew the risks and was willing to do it. So his mother should respect her son enough to grim and bare the loss. Yes it's tragic, but people die. We all will have to face it eventualy. And wouldn't you rather die a hero then on the toilet eating a ham sandwhich?

Becoming a soldier and expecting not to die, is like hireing a hooker and expecting not to get an STD. It's nobody's fault for you own, and no-one should, nor has to take the blame for your own mistakes. Period.

Let me try and make it simple for you, she probably is smart enough to understand soldiers get killed in wars, what she has a problem with is why this war was started, how it's being handled, and that soldiers should not of mayhaps be put in this situation in the first place.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Hmm....certain posts in this thread are becoming rather personal and very sensitive. I would suggest to please watch your words towards each other. If you disagree with another member you can always debate without any flamming.

WD

Thats cool WD.. I understand.. but is it not equally as offensive to flame the subject of a discussion such as this?? I know these are opinions & all but seriously.. the line is getting dangerously close to being stepped over in regards to this woman..

Originally posted by bilb
Then why arent YOU over there big man??

So now you'tre stuck with me. \m/ 😈 \m/

Originally posted by Big Evil
BECAUSE , I CAN'T go. Your precious goverment says I'm "mentaly unstable" and through a mental evalutation thinks that when under the stressful life of military work, am likely to be a larger threat then assistance.

So now you'tre stuck with me. \m/ 😈 \m/

Kinda explains a lot 😕

Awe, the excuse of mental instability, often used to excuse one of radical opinions, incidirary comments and to absolve one of the responsibiliyt of their actions. Touche'. Well played.

Originally posted by Big Evil
BECAUSE , I CAN'T go. Your precious goverment says I'm "mentaly unstable" and through a mental evalutation thinks that when under the stressful life of military work, am likely to be a larger threat then assistance.

So now you'tre stuck with me. \m/ 😈 \m/

OMG why am I not surprised.. well I give you this much.. at least you have the guts to admit it

Kharma, you are fast becoming my hero.. always good posts

He is doing well bilb, I agree

Originally posted by FeceMan
You obviously viewed his post to write that up.

well, it seems shitman has a hair across his ass today.

actually, lets see...i posted a thread, then he posted.😛
so i must be psychic to know he's trolling, right? wrong!
its called 'common sense'.

common sense also dictates that he just cant stand the idea of being
ignored, thus the multiple posts... so i guess it was a good idea after all. who would have thought that the best brand of bait for him would be apathy.

now please, run along and break someone elses balls 😂

Originally posted by Echuu
What the heck?
PVS weren't YOU one of the people wondering what the point of ignore lists were when you were flaming JM on some other thread?(and on a side note I'm not sticking up for her)

well, i dont feel like having any more f***ing warnings while he is allowed to make a career out of baiting. so i put him on ignore. either that or i can just call him what he is and then i get banned. get it? good 🙂

Originally posted by PVS
well, i dont feel like having any more f***ing warnings while he is allowed to make a career out of baiting. so i put him on ignore. either that or i can just call him what he is and then i get banned. get it? good 🙂

Got it! 😄

The mother's son knew what he was getting into when he became a soldier. She is making herself look foolish because of her anger over her son's death. Bush is a great president. It's fine having your own opinions and disagreeing with the president. But what she is saying is bordering on treason. If the democrats had their way we'd all be gay and doing drugs. Long live Bush!!!

Saying that you'll be happy once the president is impeached for going to war under false pretenses is treason? No it's not. Part of the point of democracy (even though the US really is more of a republic) is that if the people are unsatisfied with the government, they have the right to remove or change it. Our leaders are voted in, and they can be voted right back out. So no, what she's doing and saying don't even come CLOSE to treason.

And frankly, I'm rather disgusted with everyone here who's said that the mother is selfish for being angry over the death of her son. She IS grieving the loss of her child! People don't always grieve by being sad and crying. There are many, many ways to express grief. She has EVERY right to be angry. If she's not happy with this war, she has every right to be. Don't you think YOU'D be mad if you lost someone close to you in this war? This war that we shouldn't even BE in?

I'm having a hard time telling whether you're being sarcastic or not, Mr. Pot-smoking Wes; you need to be more obvious one way or the other. 😐

wow...
all I have to do is look at your title, then your post...
hypocrite alert!

(aahh Pissed off Bilb! Runn!!!!)