iceman.....i know lots of people here will disagree but at full potential iceman can win.....the best method is to turn into water vapor which is called mouisture inversion (how can supes see him even with microscopic vision if he IS water vapor which is naturally in the air) and no supes wont just breath him in since he has no idea where Bobby is....then Bobby can just mouiture inversion Supe's head off....since he was able to mouisture inversion people in AoA (i think, right) why not partially turn selective parts (Clarks head) into water vapor....then you have one dead Superman. in a fist fight iceman loses but if he gets creative with that and other things like make fighting ice golems (which he was practicing in uncanny x-men while talking to Nightcrawler) to just annoying Supes with ice spikes coming out of nowhere (since bobby is the water vapor) until he just mouiture inversions his head off.....so with all that I say Iceman wins.
one im not a Xmen fanboy....second just because people associate iceman with the snowball throwing idiot from the past and superman with the epitomy of superhero perfection doesnt mean that iceman at his highest potential can not and will not win. i mean superman looks at a man composed entirely out of ice...he uses heat vision and iceman "melts" while at the same time becoming water vapor....superman doesnt know he can survive as that to, he goes and mouisture inversions his head off....its not too hard to comprehend. Super man is tough...yes thats true but he is not as versitile as Iceman who doesnt really need a physical body to survive since he can just make himself a new one.....the only thing that supes can do is his heat vision and even then Bobby justs turns to water vapor...so how does Superman win again?????
thats the arguement that was said in another thread but how can he know?? i mean iceman turngs into a substance that is already present in the air...there is no way for him to tell....second even if their covered in forcields how is that gonna affect anything? he just water vapors him and his forcefield separating him from his body.....sure if superman knew Bobby and his powers he would beat him (heat vision then suck him up) but without that knowledge he wont win.
Dude you are such a fanboy if you say crap like Iceman can do this and that and how does Superman win? Superman would win with the telescopic vision to see Icemans cell structure and just probably do the sucking in water vapor thing and spitting it out into space and Superman is way more experienced and crap so Superman wins blah blah ya X-men fanboy.
so im a fanboy if a character has shown to do certain abilities and I tell you about them?? doesnt make sense to me....im not exagerrating his powers like some people and wolverine....and how is superman gonna see his cell structure when he IS water vapor?? doesnt make sense either...he may be more experianced and a more powerful person but sometimes even if your more powerful you can still be handed your ass by someone with a certain ability......just because your to myoptic to see the possiblity that the snowman has evloved doesnt change the fact that he can win.
Originally posted by Blair WindSupermans x-ray and microscopic vision allows him to see invisible enemies. From there all he would have to do is evaporate Iceman with some heat vision.
iceman.....i know lots of people here will disagree but at full potential iceman can win.....the best method is to turn into water vapor which is called mouisture inversion (how can supes see him even
thing is he doesnt even have to move, he can just mouisture inversion him from were hes at......he can use all his powers while remaining stationary in the air. Also since when does air not move naturally anyway??? if he disguised himself to just move with the naturally progression of air then how is he gonna tell the difference??
Originally posted by Blair Wind
thing is he doesnt even have to move, he can just mouisture inversion him from were hes at......he can use all his powers while remaining stationary in the air.
for people to see anything light has to be reflected.
Supes vision will pick almost anything, Ice man will show some type of energy or signature other wise he wouldn’t be ice man would he.
Like say someone farts: normal people might not see the difference, but supes will pick it up.
Originally posted by kgkg
Don’t change the fact,for people to see anything light has to be reflected.
Supes vision will pick almost anything, Ice man will show some type of energy or signature other wise he wouldn’t be ice man would he.
Like say someone farts: normal people might not see the difference, but supes will pick it up.
what he means is, how is Superman going to tell which water vapor is just regular ol' water vapor and which water vapor is secretly the disembodied consciousness of iceman? Its not like the molecules have little signs on them saying "Property of Iceman".
Besides, the water that makes up iceman's body isn't anything special, he can reform out of any water. Lets say he disperses into water vapor. He now exists among all the water vapor in the vicinity, he can even exist in the water inside Superman's cells.
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
what he means is, how is Superman going to tell which water vapor is just regular ol' water vapor and which water vapor is secretly the disembodied consciousness of iceman? Its not like the molecules have little signs on them saying "Property of Iceman".Besides, the water that makes up iceman's body isn't anything special, he can reform out of any water. Lets say he disperses into water vapor. He now exists among all the water vapor in the vicinity, he can even exist in the water inside Superman's cells.
Exactly....only thing is that he wont be able to freeze Supes even from the inside( or ice spike him) because his forcefield even covers his insides, and he has gone into space which is REALLLLLY cold.....but the mouisture inversion would work, and since he is able to "mouisture inversion" other people he should just be able to seperate superman from his limbs or his head or something.
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
what he means is, how is Superman going to tell which water vapor is just regular ol' water vapor and which water vapor is secretly the disembodied consciousness of iceman? Its not like the molecules have little signs on them saying "Property of Iceman".Besides, the water that makes up iceman's body isn't anything special, he can reform out of any water. Lets say he disperses into water vapor. He now exists among all the water vapor in the vicinity, he can even exist in the water inside Superman's cells.
Superman can see cells etc