Hell was originally created for the devil and his angels not for human souls. it was created after Satan was jealous of god and wanted to take the throne so god threw him and the third of the angels that rebelled to the earth setting the fall of Adam and eve shortly after. Satan is not bound in hell. he roams on earth searching for a souls to steal and has done a very good job of it. he has deceive millions and millions of people into his lies and they follow his footsteps into hell. the old testament doesn't mention hell but they do call it a different name and David calls it Sheol, the place of the dead. actually Satan is a very beautiful angel because he is from heaven and heaven is very beautiful beyond our wildest dreams. Satan use to have the highest ranking of all the angels and I think it was either cherubim or seraphim's this is mentioned in Ezekiel and Isaiah and also revelations. if you read these, the angels or also called living beings seem weird but they are very beautiful. in Ezekiel it talks of Satan's prideful ways and how he will overthrow god. Hell is reserved for Satan, the fallen angels, the watchers of genesis and the nonbelievers in revelations. everyone says Satan rules hell but he doesn't, once Armageddon ends only a single angel can tie him up and throw him in hell for 1,000 years until the kingdom is over and he will be let out to deceive the nations for one more battle to overthrow Christ's kingdom but he will fail with the billions of people on his side and he will be forever be in hell and he won't be let out any more. all of this is in revelations. Hell is not a made up place created by any church, it is as real as it can be and Jesus has mentioned hell in all of the gospels, the most famous one is the Lazarus and the rich man mentioned also in the gospels.
some people say even other Christians think this is a lie about hell. Hell doesn't have to called hell but other names. One of them said that soul just stays with the body or go to heaven, may they are the ones who are deceived, the person will either go to heaven or hell, the soul will not stay in the ground. I have evidence in revelations because hades will give up the dead for the great white throne judgement, the fallen angels will be judged also as of the watchers of genesis. some books were not in the bible for some reason and the book of Enoch talks about how the watchers of heaven lusted over the women of the earth, which are called sons of god in genesis and how they are suffering in the place of the dead. Enoch never died and he ascended into heaven. some people say the bible is wrong with hell fire but the bible is perfect because god knows what he is doing and saying. the fire may not be physical but it could be spiritual fire. All I know it is a place of suffering not a place of par-tining
Originally posted by cking
some people say even other Christians think this is a lie about hell. Hell doesn't have to called hell but other names. One of them said that soul just stays with the body or go to heaven, may they are the ones who are deceived, the person will either go to heaven or hell, the soul will not stay in the ground. I have evidence in revelations because hades will give up the dead for the great white throne judgement, the fallen angels will be judged also as of the watchers of genesis. some books were not in the bible for some reason and the book of Enoch talks about how the watchers of heaven lusted over the women of the earth, which are called sons of god in genesis and how they are suffering in the place of the dead. Enoch never died and he ascended into heaven. some people say the bible is wrong with hell fire but the bible is perfect because god knows what he is doing and saying. the fire may not be physical but it could be spiritual fire. All I know it is a place of suffering not a place of par-tining
You do know the Christian concepts of Hell where heavly borrowed from Plato I hope.
I actually read some stuff about death on another website and I have to say I have found some things that are different than what we are talking about.I'm going to say this one verse from the book of Daniel and I want to see what you think about it. "as for you, Daniel, go your way till the end. you will get your rest when you die. and at the end you will rise from the dead to get your reward." what the angel was saying is that daniel can go in peace and do what is right until he dies. He will be buried and rise again on resurrection day. The angel didn't say he would go to heaven or the place of the dead after he dies, he would simply would cease to know anything. it is like when you die you lost everything and you don't know anything. but daniel was promised full redemption on resurrection day. grace and salvation is only half of it but full redemption is when the believers will be resurrected in the same way Christ did. the nonbelievers will be resurrected after the tribulation. the bible says that bless and holy are the ones who take part in the first resurrection for the second death does not hurt them. the book of daniel also says, "some will resurrect to eternal life while some will resurrect to eternal shame." When a Christian and a nonbeliever dies they don't go anywhere and they stay in the ground for look what genesis says,"Later you will return to the ground because you were taken from it. you are dust. and when you die, you will return to the dust." if you read both revelations and daniel they are almost the same except daniel has visions of what will happen over a few hundred years, while revelations can reveal thousands of years. If you read the gospels Jesus didn't promise a believer that they will go to heaven when they die, the same way with Paul.
God is a God of justice and he will not let a single sin go punished. for what Paul says, "the wages of sin is death." When Jesus was on the cross he yelled out," my god my god why have you forsaken me." Jesus was sinless his whole life until he became the most sinful person mankind has ever seen when he took the guilt of the world. So he must have felt the presence of god leaving him on the cross. for Jesus said earlier in the gospel, "me and the father are one." God is with Jesus in everything he did because he is god's chosen servant. The cross symbolized both judgement and forgiveness. For the first time in his life he didn't feel god was with him and that he why he said those words.
Some things we will never understand, that would be like Daniel trying to understand some things in the future, but the angel said don't worry about what will happen your reward will come soon enough. people try to explain the unexplainable. When Jesus died the gospel didn't say he went to heaven but was dead until god called his name and he rose and that will be the same with us. one of the apostles said to Jesus that can we come where you are going? Jesus said not right now but later on. Jesus was saying you will go to heaven but not right now. Jesus was only dead for a short period of time. Jesus died from sins that wasn't his but ours and when we die it will be ours and so will be in the grave lot longer because we didn't live a sinless life life Jesus did and we didn't receive other peoples sin. Jesus didn't come to protect people from physical death but spiritual death. I'm sorry their is nothing we can do about the physical death but spiritual is always avoidable.
Originally posted by cking
this is what I have read just recently. we shouldn't worry about anything as long as we did what Jesus said we will do we will go to heaven even if we have to wait a thousand years in the grave or one day, our promises will still come true.
Near deathers are all from different denominations and beliefs, some that don't believe in Jesus and they still saw heaven or what ever you want to call it. Can you explain that?
we are different from god in every way. God says in the old testament that he doesn't think like us act or do the evil things we do. we aren't part of god's body part or anything like that. God and the creation are totally different even the bible says so about this. God created man in his image in but not in a way man is totally all knowing. Adam and eve were perfect but they didn't know everything because god is still their teacher. a spirit can be killed, look what happened to Satan he is a spirit and he is dead. God is a god of living not of the dead and if a person is separated from god they are spiritual dead. You try to explain things that no man can explain and I can explain these things but only god can explain these. We shouldn't worry about this because this is out of our league.