Who is the strongest Dark Lord?

Originally posted by Sith'ari
However, in the years since he wrote those words, The Emperor has continued to perfect his Dark Side abilities, and he now boasts to Luke that he has perfect control of his Force Storms! Whether such boasts are true or not ([b]they are not)

It's there in black and white Escape. So thanks for that tasty drink, now may I return the favour and pour you a glass of Self Pwnage? [/B]

Indeed. Yet, I didn't deny that he didn't have full control over his Force Storms. But that is only when he is cut off from the Force.

Unless of course you can provide an example in DE when his Force Storm gets out of control - other than when Luke and Leia cut him off from the Force? 😉

Sorry Escape81, but facts>your opinion.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Sorry Escape81, but facts>your opinion.

Mm-hmm.

Fact: Sidious had control over his Force Storms every time he used one, save for when Luke, Leia, and Anakin temporarily cut him off from the Force.

Fact: That is most likely what the author meant, as - again - he was not seen without control of a Force Storm save for once.

Fact: You can't clearly provide an example...

So... no. I'd say that my argument trumps yours.

Edit: Oh, by the way. I love it how, when you lack a sufficient argument or evidence to support you, you try to avoid the question to avoid obvious embarrassment of failure. But, as we've seen, generally all of your arguments expose your rather pathetic skills for what they are... so you might as well just come out and say 'No, Escape, you're right. I can't provide an example', and maybe then you'll gain some credibility.

Straight from the comic:

However, in the years since he wrote those words, The Emperor has continued to perfect his Dark Side abilities, and he now boasts to Luke that he has perfect control of his Force Storms! Whether such boasts are true or not (they are not)

It's there in black and white Escape81. DE Sidious did not have perfect control over them. So unlucky, you have lost.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Straight from the comic:

However, in the years since he wrote those words, The Emperor has continued to perfect his Dark Side abilities, and he now boasts to Luke that he has perfect control of his Force Storms! Whether such boasts are true or not ([b]they are not) [/B]

Ah, but let's go back and reiterate:

Indeed. Yet, I didn't deny that he didn't have full control over his Force Storms. But that is only when he is cut off from the Force.

Then there's your argument:

It's there in black and white Escape81. DE Sidious did not have perfect control over them. So unlucky, you have lost.

No, he didn't have full control over his Force Storms. Only when he's cut off from the Force do they proceed to escape his control. 😉

I'm sorry Escape, but that is very poor reasoning. The text makes it clear that his boasts were not true, in other words he didn't have perfect control of his force storms. You're arguing with the English language.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
I'm sorry Escape, but that is very poor reasoning. The text makes it clear that his boasts were not true, in other words he didn't have perfect control of his force storms. You're arguing with the English language.

Oh, I'm sorry, Nebaris.

His claims weren't true, because he lost control of the Force Storm once. Once, and under special circumstances. So, yes, I'd agree. There are situations in which Palpatine doesn't have full control over his Force Storms.

But, every other time he used one, it worked fine.

So, using your beloved logical deduction in compliance with the evidence - we can deduce that that excerpt was referring to when Luke/Anakin/Leia disrupted the Force Storm.

In fact, note when they make their final confrontation, Luke tells Leia that even he can't control them. But, what do they have to do? Make him lose control by pooling their Force connection and disrupting the process.

There you go. 😉

'So, using your beloved logical deduction in compliance with the evidence - we can deduce that that excerpt was referring to when Luke/Anakin/Leia disrupted the Force Storm.'

You seriously couldn't be more wrong. The passage basically confirms that when Sidious states to Luke that he has full control over his Force Storms, he was lying. In other words, Sidious knew that he didn't have full control over his Force Storms . So no, you're wrong. When the passage states that Sidious has not fully learnt how to control his Force Storms, it means generally and not under one particular circumstance. Accept it, you are wrong.

Oh, and please stop calling me Nebaris. It's sith'ari to you.

1. If Sidious couldn't control the force storm completely-and we see him control it fine in two instances- then noone can. The thing is extremely volatile by nature.
2. We see Sidious use it fine and when he said he couldn't fully control it, it was years past.

You seriously couldn't be more wrong.

You're the one who is capable of defying the levels of "wrong", here. I find it ironic how the guy who thinks that Lumiya > Sidious; Revan > Luke; and Sion > Kun is acting like he's a know it all.

The passage basically confirms that when Sidious states to Luke that he has full control over his Force Storms, he was lying.

The passage basically doesn't do anything. All of a sudden, it is wrong for me to make an educated hypothesis based on the evidence we have, but you can tell me what it basically says, by interpreting it with your own bias?

No. Double standards aren't going to be applied.

In other words, Sidious knew that he didn't have full control over his Force Storms.

In specific circumstances, clearly, when a third party disrupts the process. Luke/Leia/Anakin caused the disruption that ultimately caused the Force Storm to rebound upon Palpatine. So, it was nothing that he did - but the application of ungodly power that those three generated that temporarily cut him off from the Force.

That is what caused the lack of control.

So no, you're wrong.

No, I don't see how.

When the passage states that Sidious has not fully learnt how to control his Force Storms, it means generally and not under one particular circumstance.

Does it now? Really... considering how in every other case that he used it, it worked perfectly fine? Yes, I have a hard time believing that. Especially when Luke told Leia that: he (Sidious) can't even control them completely - and they still had to cut him off from the Force.

Wanna know why? Because until something like that happens, Sidious has control over his Force Storms.

Accept it, you are wrong.

Don't see how.

I'm curious Sith Ari

How do you know his boasts were not true

Okay

Just re read the text, yes it does say there that the boasts were not true

But the thing is, the passage confirms that Sidious was lying to Luke when he states that he now has perfect control over his force storms. In other words, he didn't have perfect control over the force storms, and he knew it (whether you interpet it the way I do or you do, it doesn't matter). Do you disagree with any of this?

However, even if his boasts of "Perfect" control were not true, that is not conclusive proof that the storms were not under "moderate" control.

We have 1 verifiable instance of a storm going completely wild, and that is also verifiable that it was not due to Sidious losing control of the storm, but rather having the control taken away from him.

And this is just a hypothetical example of a case to illustrate my meaning (not meant to be a major thread discussion LOL) When driving a car you are in control, you may not be in "perfect" control, but you are still in control

Now say your passenger suddenly reaches between the seats and reefs the handbrake up, All of a sudden the car is out of control through no fault of yourself (the driver). A THIRD party interrupted.

And this is just the case for the 1 verifiable out of control storm, Luke, Leia and the soccerball reefed the handbrake up.

LMAO Soccerball

Oh I know. I know that Sidious still had great control over them, but not perfect control. I wouldn't usually argue about such a silly topic, but Escape just won't accept that he's wrong.

Originally posted by Sith'ari
But the thing is, the passage confirms that Sidious was lying to Luke when he states that he now has perfect control over his force storms. In other words, he didn't have perfect control over the force storms, and he knew it (whether you interpet it the way I do or you do, it doesn't matter). Do you disagree with any of this?

Well Escape?

Originally posted by Sith'ari
Oh I know. I know that Sidious still had great control over them, but not perfect control. I wouldn't usually argue about such a silly topic, but Escape just won't accept that he's wrong.

Eh?

I already told you that he doesn't have absolute control over the Force Storms, but that it only happens when a third party disrupts the process.