Who is the strongest Dark Lord?

Originally posted by ESB Vader
lmfao force drain DOESNT work on nihilus simply because hes a wound and wouldnt it backfire? that would weaken sidious allowing Nihilus to finish sidious with a lightsaber attack or a simple force feat or drain him.

and there is no defense for the force drain other than lukes removal loops.

see? u prove to urself ur a fanboy of sidious.
u can try to argue but ill tell you ill hand you ur ass.

exile simply defeated nihilus because nihilus was terribly weakend after his drain backfired,

sidious is WHOLE not a wound so the drain will kill him. and would sidious have time to make a force strom? no he wont because if he tries he gets drained

Did I say Palpatine would try to drain him? No, I said Palpatine knows the technique and how to counter it. Simply because he's ALSO mastered those little loops and the Fallanasi abilities.

See? You prove yourself an ignorant fanboy, so we're on top. Palpatine is much, much stronger, faster, more knowledgable and better than Nihilus. What'll nihilus do when Palpatine starts slamming him into walls with telekensis? Or stops his heart instantly with Morichro? Or blasts a hole in him like he killed Rayf?

Originally posted by ESB Vader
see? u prove to urself ur a fanboy of sidious.
u can try to argue but ill tell you ill hand you ur ass.

ESB, you can't say stuff like "I'll hand you your ass" if you cannot actually do it. You haven't earned that right as a debater on here.

Originally posted by Advent
I'm about to hand you your ass, Young ESB Vader.

^^

That's an example of someone who can.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Did I say Palpatine would try to drain him? No, I said Palpatine knows the technique and how to counter it. Simply because he's ALSO mastered those little loops and the Fallanasi abilities.

See? You prove yourself an ignorant fanboy, so we're on top. Palpatine is much, much stronger, faster, more knowledgable and better than Nihilus. What'll nihilus do when Palpatine starts slamming him into walls with telekensis? Or stops his heart instantly with Morichro? Or blasts a hole in him like he killed Rayf?

Palpatine can counter a force drain all of a sudden? Since when? Sidious can loop in and out of the force? Since when? Blasts a hole in him? Stops his heart? Wow.. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Palpatine can counter a force drain all of a sudden? Since when? Sidious can loop in and out of the force? Since when? Blasts a hole in him? Stops his heart? Wow.. What are you talking about?

The Exile acted as a wound in the Force and ultimately caused Nihilus's Force Drain to backfire. It is said that Nihilus attempted to strip Traya of her power and ultimately failed to do so. In that cut content, Nihilus was unable to strip the Force from Sion when Sion attacked him.

So, who's to say that Palpatine - who is far more powerful than Traya, Sion, or the Exile - would be unable to do so? Given that he knows all of the Ancient Sith's techniques, and his own?

We know that the only thing that ever stopped Palpatine is when he was forcibly cut off from the Force. That feat is a far cry from Nihilus's power levels, and even that was only temporary.

To support Lightsnake, DS, Palpatine blasted through those two Jedi in Empire's End, which automatically mortally wounded them with a single shot.

Blasted them with what? And how is it logical to assume that Sidious can counter a force drain? What cut scene are you talking about? As I recall he did strip Kreia of the force briefly, and then had Sion kick her ass. And since Kreia ALSO knew the techniques of the ancients and was stil ldefenseless against this, what makes you think Sidious wouldn't be?

Blasted them with what?

A Force maneuver that appeared to be either Force lightning or a DBZ-like blast of white-energy. But I'm not fond of Dark Empire's artwork, so who knows? It wasn't tendrils of energy, so it could be one of Palpatine's own created Force assaults.

And how is it logical to assume that Sidious can counter a force drain?

If individuals such as The Exile, Traya, and Sion can - Palpatine, who is vastly more powerful than either three and far more knowledgeable in the ways of the Force - logically possesses the same skills. Possibly to an even greater degree.

What cut scene are you talking about?

The one cut from the Knights of the Old Republic II game. It depicted Sion confronting Nihilus on-board Ravager, where he tells Nihilus that Traya survived and he failed to kill her. Sion then attempts to attack Nihilus, but his promptly put on his ass by one of Nihilus's drains. Sion lays motionless for a moment, but promptly gets up and leaves.

As I recall he did strip Kreia of the force briefly, and then had Sion kick her ass. And since Kreia ALSO knew the techniques of the ancients and was stil ldefenseless against this, what makes you think Sidious wouldn't be?

I said that if the others knew, so would he. Furthermore, who's to say that Nihilus is going to drain Palpatine before Palpatine uses the Force against him? Lightsnake's steak analogy and Nai's points prove that, while Nihilus drains the Force, he does not drain Force attacks.

I never saw that cut scene, weird. My point is it is logical to assume that Nihilus can intensify his drain to different levels, as he did with Sion and Traya. You conveniently forget how he drained the entire planet of Katarr among other planets, so unless Traya and Sion>Katar(with Jedi) and other planets, it looks like Nihilus has different levels of his techniques.

look here lightsnake, ur words r telling ppl ur a fanboy, there is no defense for nihilus force drain and sidious is finished.

lol Advent i think that phrase is funny so i used it.

there u go lightsnake, i stuck ur ass back in place 😄

o ya advent i can but not all in 1 shot like you, lol serious

Um, except there ARE defenses for Force drain...loops, Fallanasi abilities...considering Sidious is a master of eVERY POWER THERE IS...

No, there's your ass and it;s now grass. Stop being such a Nihilus fanboy and admit he's fallible. No, you're totally unwilling to admit another master of Force Drain knows a counter or Sidious can kill Ni right off? He can lift him with the force and crunch him into a wall, or just stop his heart with no effort from him.

Fpr God's sake...Nihilus THOUGHT HE'D KILLED TRAYA AND HE DIDN'T...this proves he's infallible

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, there's your ass and it;s now grass.

"And now I'm going to smoke it".

O SN4P!!!!!/??!!!ONE!!! BURN!

Fpr God's sake...Nihilus THOUGHT HE'D KILLED TRAYA AND HE DIDN'T...this proves he's infallible

Lol, you mean "fallible", right?

Lightsnake's right, though. Nihilus simply is outclassed. Sidious is a vastly more knowledgable and vastly more powerful (in the sense he has more techniques than one Force drain, plus he's just more powerful anyways).

Sidious is smarter than Nihilus could ever imagine. He, of anyone, would have a technique up his sleeve, and as Lightsnake pointed out -- he apparently does.

since when sidious can make loops? didnt luke and leia cut him off from the force? ur saying things sidious doesnt have.

and yes sidious is way more powerful as in techniques with the force, sidious has as much knowledge about the ancient force powers as kreia but even she fell to nihilus power.

what also gives nihilus the advantage is that sidious is cocky and arrogant which is what led luke to slice of his hand.

the only way for sidious to beat nihilus is if he sees nihilus ravager ship. dice it with force storm. that i cannot deny sidious wins but in a head to head battle, nihilus owns sidious with the force unless sidious comes in fully prepared.

i wont deny sidious being the strongest dark lord as in raw pure power but in terms of combat if u put all the sith lords in combat, nihilus will drain all of them, or it could be left sidious vs nihilus.

nihilus force drain is far faster than sidious because nihilus wiped out an entire planet instantly in a split second, everything was dead but continue to dissintegrate.

and if sidious is a master of every power he would have killed luke and leia and not the other way around.

sidious didnt master looping nor learn it, even yoda in the darkside can pwn sidious.

thats if yoda uses rage as his power it is possible he owns every sith lord

ok here r the list of the most powerful dark lords.

Raw power and knowledge- sidious
charisma- Revan(hes back to the light tho)
lightsaber dueling-tulak hord(lets assume he is)
single handed able to destroy armies of force users-Nihilus
being wise-Vader and kreia (my opinion)
the most powerful- Full potential uninjured Vader(if he didnt get burned)
the most patient-PT sidious and darth bane
the most dangerous-nihilus because all he do is kill to feed himself
the most intelligent- Sidious because he bothers to learn more.
well thats my list

y not u guys do the same instead of argueing?

o ya advent and lightsnake
we can go on argueing but none of us will agree on each others ponts. y not we call it equal?(not giving up but will go on if argued with) that goes for the luke vs nihilus, we all have different points of how this guy can beat that guy.

Grievous is POWERFULL! shock But I think.........Darth Vader!hmm

Rofl, ESB Vader.

A Dark Side Yoda - in Dooku's perspective - would have only been able to crush a RotS Sidious. DE Sidious is far more powerful than his RotS incarnation.

call me dumb, but what does DE mean?

Dark Empire

well the strongest dark lord would be full potential anakin cuz GL said so and he would surpass NJO luke who is a SW god

ESB, Vader, for the last time: Sidious mastered every technique. Including that Fallanasi loop ability.

You. Lose.

No, I'm not calling it equal: You're wrong.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
ESB, Vader, for the last time: Sidious mastered every technique. Including that Fallanasi loop ability.

You. Lose.

No, I'm not calling it equal: You're wrong.

you cant argue with cannon. even you said it. so dont try and argue that vader (uninjured) would be the strongest user ever, hes made of the force! stop being a fanboy and contradicting youself!

Would be, not was

point granted but still, i rekon that ragnos was the most powerful in his day, and ever