How is islam any worse than us

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Of course.
However I don't believe hateret exists on its own. I think we made it ourselves. I don't think its natural, but learnt.

I somehow don't thnk you can make yourself hate somebody, the same way you cannot make someone love you, or make yourself love someone else.

However, you can choose to submit to or resist the hatred...yes.....

As for hatred being learned.....it certainly can be learned, but I also feel Hatred can be an initial response to an undesirable situation, or even a response to fear.

The way a person emotionally and mentally responds to something is not thier choice.

Read my post. I never said you ''make yourself'' I said you learn it. There is a difference.

Muslims, and a lot of people in the East hate America and West, for numerous reasons -

Historical, political, cultural, economic, ethnic and meddling into other people's shit, reasons.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Read my post. I never said you ''make yourself'' I said you learn it. There is a difference.

Muslims, and a lot of people in the East hate America and West, for numerous reasons -

Historical, political, cultural, economic, ethnic and meddling into other people's shit, reasons.

Hate can certainly be learned, but you don't have to teach someone how to hate for hate to develop within them.

Hatred is a natural response to injustice, or other types of offenses for some people.

Not to Buddhists of Tibet it isn't. Not to Dalai Lama or Gandhi.

Noone is born hating. It is a learnt behaviour. Animals don't attack out of hate, but out of, fear, territory, instinct or hunger.

Hate is a concept born to Humans only, just like a lot of other complex emotions are.

Animals, to our knowledge, don't have the mental capabilities that humans do, especially in higher thought. Therfore, hatred may be very much a natural reaction, but not one as simple as fear or pain. Just because it is only in humns doesn't mena that hatred is a social construct.

Infact, it think it is a much more defensible argument that people such as Ghandi learned to control hate, rather than not learning hate itself.

Many Muslims don't hate "the West." I hate "the West" for a lot of the same reasons Muslims do. The Buddhists of Sri Lanka, or Myanmar have no problem hating. These lines drawn to show cultures that hate and ones that don't are simply false.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Not to Buddhists of Tibet it isn't. Not to Dalai Lama or Gandhi.

Noone is born hating. It is a learnt behaviour. Animals don't attack out of hate, but out of, fear, territory, instinct or hunger.

Hate is a concept born to Humans only, just like a lot of other complex emotions are.

I could be the most loving person, but if someone kills my mother (God forbid), my immediate response will be Hatred.

I don't have to learn it....no one has to introduce me to hatred, all you have to introduce me to is that pain.....I will immediately and without hesitation Hate the person who did this to me.....

Originally posted by Alliance
Animals, to our knowledge, don't have the mental capabilities that humans do, especially in higher thought. Therfore, hatred may be very much a natural reaction, but not one as simple as fear or pain. Just because it is only in humns doesn't mena that hatred is a social construct.

Infact, it think it is a much more defensible argument that people such as Ghandi learned to control hate, rather than not learning hate itself.

Many Muslims don't hate "the West." I hate "the West" for a lot of the same reasons Muslims do. The Buddhists of Sri Lanka, or Myanmar have no problem hating. These lines drawn to show cultures that hate and ones that don't are simply false.

If animals don't have mental capacities in higher thought, then how the hell can hateret be natural?
It cannot - hateret is a complex emotion - people hate when due to injustice, and many many other complex reasons ainimals are not faced with.
To hate is to hold a very vey sinister grudge.

Do you think animals sit around holding grudges? I really doubt that.
....

I think you find that many Muslims and non-Muslims hate west. And certainly not for the same reason you do.

Until you live 16 years in a country where ''The West'' constantly bombs, then after 16 years invades under the flag of reforming a country for a better, you might be barely begin to understand the level of dislike.

The matter of the fact is, you never felt war on your own soil. You never run in the sheltars scared for you life, because your country and you people are being bombed by a country who is unmatched in economic prospects, and military.

America got hit by 3 planes, 3, 000 people died, and now the whole world is hearing about it over and over again and is going to be hearing about it for another however long.

3 000 Iraqi's die per day from American bombs, but noone mentions that. Noone holds a minute of silence for the Iraqi and Afghanistani people killed by American bombs.
Noone mourns the people in South America, ravaged by American politics and greed. Noone holds a minute silence for all those Viet Nameese people who were brutally slaughtered by Americans.

But when West hears something on TV about ''atrocities of Middle East'', where 3/4 of Western population does not have an idea about the place/event beyond the television repot, eveyone bakes down in choir of self-flaggellation. Pathetic!

Thus, you cannot sympathise or empathise for that matter with many Middle Eastern / Asian Muslims who are induring Western bullshit. You are not on a moral high ground - when Middle East was on a moral high ground, much of West Europe were savages.

The fact that you think they don't hate West is even more laughable - not all do, but a vey high number do - and for the good reason too!

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I could be the most loving person, but if someone kills my mother (God forbid), my immediate response will be Hatred.

I don't have to learn it....no one has to introduce me to hatred, all you have to introduce me to is that pain.....I will immediately and without hesitation Hate the person who did this to me.....

You grew up seeing hateret - imagine not ever seeing hateret in your life. Imagine not being faced with injustice in your life - will you still hate? And if so, who will you hate?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You grew up seeing hateret - imagine not ever seeing hateret in your life. Imagine not being faced with injustice in your life - will you still hate? And if so, who will you hate?

I don't beleive that the Hatred I would acquire from a tragedy like that, is a result of exposure to someone else's ideals.

If someone hurt me that badly, the hatred would be immediate, and it would not be a result of influence from someone else's hate.

If hate is truly only developed from being learned, then when did the first event of hatred begin ? Who invented it ?

Hatred can be learned, yes, but it can also be natural. The same way Love is natural.

I could be treated great all my life, but if someone hurts me deeply enough, hate will be born.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't beleive that the Hatred I would acquire from a tragedy like that, is a result of exposure to someone else's ideals.

If someone hurt me that badly, the hatred would be immediate, and it would not be a result of influence from someone else's hate.

If hate is truly only developed from being learned, then when did the first event of hatred begin ? Who invented it ?

Hatred can be learned, yes, but it can also be natural. The same way Love is natural.

I could be treated great all my life, but if someone hurts me deeply enough, hate will be born.

You didn't answer my questions.

Humans invented hate. Unless of course you believe Gods invented it, humans most certainly did.
Saying that hate is natural is like saying racism is natural.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You didn't answer my questions.

Humans invented hate. Unless of course you believe Gods invented it, humans most certainly did.
Saying that hate is natural is like saying racism is natural.

Really? I thought hate was a basic emotion that we got from the reptilian brain.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Really? I thought hate was a basic emotion that we got from the reptilian brain.

It must be the place that also produces emotions of racism, homophobia and discrimination.

Hate peaching is alright - because its a natural thing that happens.

People who hate Gays have more excuse - now it is just something produced by our bain and complitely natural.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
It must be the place that also produces emotions of racism, homophobia and discrimination.

Hate peaching is alright - because its a natural thing that happens.

People who hate Gays have more excuse - now it is just something produced by our bain and complitely natural.

I don't think because it is natural that it is ok. Dieing is natural, but...

Hate is an emotion that takes control of a person. Hate is like taking poison, it will make the person who hates filled with sickness.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't think because it is natural that it is ok. Dieing is natural, but...

Hate is an emotion that takes control of a person. Hate is like taking poison, it will make the person who hates filled with sickness.

That depends on your attitude. When certain things happen and you dont feel hate then there is something wrong with you. Hate is a motivating force for change.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You didn't answer my questions.

Yes I did. I just told you that this kind of Hatred, I beleive, would be immediate and independent of influence from other sources, other than the tragic event.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Humans invented hate.

So you must also beleive we invented Love. And compassion. And affection. And Jealousy.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Unless of course you believe Gods invented it, humans most certainly did.

I don't think anyone invented it. Hatred is not a flat and solid emotion or state of mind. Hatred, like Love, is a spectrum which comes in many shapes and forms.

There are different types of Hate. And Hate itself is just a word we use to label the familiar description of our perceptions of people and objects.

Hate can certainly be taught and conditioned. There is no doubt about that. But Hatred can also be a natural response to an undesirable event. Vengeance is a form of Hate....hatred for someone based on the sole reason that you were wronged.

Then ofcourse, there's always the manufactured hatred, such as Racism and Homphobia.

However, for Racism and Homophobia to exist, a tendency to Hate has to be there first.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Saying that hate is natural is like saying racism is natural.

No it's not.

Racism is an evolved and organized form of Hatred. Hatred at it's most pure form is completely irrational and sincere. Racism, is a constructed and concentrated form of hatred

The psychological community does not consider hatred one of the basic emotions. There are a few theories on what the basic emotions are, but hatred is not considered one of them by any I can think of.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That depends on your attitude. When certain things happen and you dont feel hate then there is something wrong with you. Hate is a motivating force for change.

I think you are confusing anger with hate. Hate can be a motivating force, but it always ends in the evil paths.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If animals don't have mental capacities in higher thought, then how the hell can hateret be natural?
It cannot - hateret is a complex emotion - people hate when due to injustice, and many many other complex reasons ainimals are not faced with.
To hate is to hold a very vey sinister grudge.

Do you think animals sit around holding grudges? I really doubt that.
....

I think you find that many Muslims and non-Muslims hate west. And certainly not for the same reason you do.

Until you live 16 years in a country where ''The West'' constantly bombs, then after 16 years invades under the flag of reforming a country for a better, you might be barely begin to understand the level of dislike.

The matter of the fact is, you never felt war on your own soil. You never run in the sheltars scared for you life, because your country and you people are being bombed by a country who is unmatched in economic prospects, and military.

America got hit by 3 planes, 3, 000 people died, and now the whole world is hearing about it over and over again and is going to be hearing about it for another however long.

3 000 Iraqi's die per day from American bombs, but noone mentions that. Noone holds a minute of silence for the Iraqi and Afghanistani people killed by American bombs.
Noone mourns the people in South America, ravaged by American politics and greed. Noone holds a minute silence for all those Viet Nameese people who were brutally slaughtered by Americans.

But when West hears something on TV about ''atrocities of Middle East'', where 3/4 of Western population does not have an idea about the place/event beyond the television repot, eveyone bakes down in choir of self-flaggellation. Pathetic!

Thus, you cannot sympathise or empathise for that matter with many Middle Eastern / Asian Muslims who are induring Western bullshit. You are not on a moral high ground - when Middle East was on a moral high ground, much of West Europe were savages.

The fact that you think they don't hate West is even more laughable - not all do, but a vey high number do - and for the good reason too!

Listen, save youre ever-present fire and brimstone. I am not the United States. Maybe you should reanalyze our history too before making radical claims. You are less interested in debating me than in spewing hate. I'd challenge your knowledge of the US before you go around challenging everyone else of being in some mass-delusion.

I'm quite aware of the US' shitty policy in many parts of the world and most of the things you complained about I have too. So again...reanalyze and stop arguing against this false perception of me you have personally created.

And for the record, you have very little knowledge of who I am and what I can sympathize with. I'd revisit that assumption.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The psychological community does not consider hatred one of the basic emotions. There are a few theories on what the basic emotions are, but hatred is not considered one of them by any I can think of.

I personally do not consider Hatred an emotion. Hatred, is more like a state of mind, like Depression. It's also more of a mentality than just a feeling.

You can teach someone what to think, but you can't truly teach them how to feel....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I personally do not consider Hatred an emotion. Hatred, is more like a state of mind, like Depression. It's also more of a mentality than just a feeling.

You can teach someone what to think, but you can't truly teach them how to feel....