How about this: Not all relagion can possibly be true as many of them have opposing thruth claims. Another way to look at it is that there either is a God or there is not or Jesus was God or he was not. Don't you see? Both claims cannot be true becasue a truth claim automaticaly excludes every other truth.
Originally posted by Imlistening
can any single religion be the true religion, i mean they have no evidence that the others are wrong, especially when they don't have any real proof that they are right.
Not really.
Since most, if not all religions have something in common with each other, either in message or practice, that would include them right as well, i would argue.
Religions contradict each other; therefore, they cannot all be true.
Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence and that you can become a god. Christianity teaches that there is only one God and you cannot become a god. Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in flesh where Christianity does. Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time. Some religions teach that we reincarnate while others do not. Some teach there is a hell and others do not. They cannot all be true. If they cannot all be true, it cannot be true that all religions lead to God. Furthermore, it means that some religions are, at the very least, false in their claims to reveal the true God (or gods). Remember, truth does not contradict itself. If God exists, He will not institute mutually exclusive and contradictory belief systems in an attempt to get people to believe in Him. God is not the author of confusion. Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that there can be an absolute spiritual truth and that not all systems can be true regardless of whether or not they claim to be true. There must be more than a mere claim.
Originally posted by MARCMAN
Religions contradict each other; therefore, they cannot all be true.Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence and that you can become a god. Christianity teaches that there is only one God and you cannot become a god. Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in flesh where Christianity does. Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time. Some religions teach that we reincarnate while others do not. Some teach there is a hell and others do not. They cannot all be true. If they cannot all be true, it cannot be true that all religions lead to God. Furthermore, it means that some religions are, at the very least, false in their claims to reveal the true God (or gods). Remember, truth does not contradict itself. If God exists, He will not institute mutually exclusive and contradictory belief systems in an attempt to get people to believe in Him. God is not the author of confusion. Therefore, it is reasonable to believe that there can be an absolute spiritual truth and that not all systems can be true regardless of whether or not they claim to be true. There must be more than a mere claim.
Your logic is flawed, because you are using logic to understand mystic law. Mystic truth is beyond logic.
Originally posted by MARCMAN
What do you mean by Mystic truth?
The story of Adam and Eve has two truths: One is the factual, this could have never happened, because we could not have 6 billion people from 2. The genetic pool would have been too week. The facts in this story don’t hold up to observation. However, the other truth is that we are all brothers and sisters in one family. This is mystic truth. There is more mystic truth to this story, but I don’t want to write that much.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonSomething mystical cannot be explained with logic is true.....It is way beyond us...Maybe someday we can understand....We are just beginning to, though in times past, in the ages of old, people used mysticism but never new why it would work and it was considered devices of the devil.
Your logic is flawed, because you are using logic to understand mystic law. Mystic truth is beyond logic.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Something mystical cannot be explained with logic is true.....It is way beyond us...Maybe someday we can understand....We are just beginning to, though in times past, in the ages of old, people used mysticism but never new why it would work and it was considered devices of the devil.
That all depends on the side you were on. Christians used mystic truth all the time.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The story of Adam and Eve has two truths: One is the factual, this could have never happened, because we could not have 6 billion people from 2. The genetic pool would have been too week. The facts in this story don’t hold up to observation. However, the other truth is that we are all brothers and sisters in one family. This is mystic truth. There is more mystic truth to this story, but I don’t want to write that much.
Partially true, I do believe that there are multiple meanings in that story, and I am pretty sure I agree that Adam and eve weren't techinically alone. But I tend to throw mysticism out the window in actual debates. I can feel something, but I can't make someone else feel it too, if you understand me.
PS And off topic - According to a recent study I read (Science I think wish I could remember for sure), Mankind's most recent common ancestor lived less than 4,000 years ago. The most common ancestor for 2 random people of the same race lived less than 2,000 years ago. Not such a mystical truth anymore, eh? This was a genetics study based on mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome mutation as I recall.
Originally posted by docb77
Partially true, I do believe that there are multiple meanings in that story, and I am pretty sure I agree that Adam and eve weren't techinically alone. But I tend to throw mysticism out the window in actual debates. I can feel something, but I can't make someone else feel it too, if you understand me.PS And off topic - According to a recent study I read (Science I think wish I could remember for sure), Mankind's most recent common ancestor lived less than 4,000 years ago. The most common ancestor for 2 random people of the same race lived less than 2,000 years ago. Not such a mystical truth anymore, eh? This was a genetics study based on mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome mutation as I recall.
I know about the study, but there is a problem with the way you are interpreting the information. When we look at genetics, we look at the descendants of the survivors. There are no descendants of the family lines that died out, so those genetic lines are not represented in the study.
If we looked at the descendants of the people who were on the Titanic, we would come to the conclusion that there was only a small number of people on that boat when it went down.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know about the study, but there is a problem with the way you are interpreting the information. When we look at genetics, we look at the descendants of the survivors. There are no descendants of the family lines that died out, so those genetic lines are not represented in the study.If we looked at the descendants of the people who were on the Titanic, we would come to the conclusion that there was only a small number of people on that boat when it went down.
Yes, but the reason I brought the study up was to show that it is not only possible, but likely that all the variation we have in the human race came from only a small number of people. A real Adam and Eve are a possibility.
And to bring it back to the topic - Some religions interpret it as a literal story, some say it's only symbolic. Both can't be right. One or none are the only choices.
Originally posted by docb77
Yes, but the reason I brought the study up was to show that it is not only possible, but likely that all the variation we have in the human race came from only a small number of people. A real Adam and Eve are a possibility.And to bring it back to the topic - Some religions interpret it as a literal story, some say it's only symbolic. Both can't be right. One or none are the only choices.
Are you so sure that there isn't another choice?
Yep, it's like a true/false test. Somewhere out there is the master key and in order to be the right religion you need a perfect score - 100%. I think most religions get B's and C's. The true church has to be an A++. Is it possible for more than one church to get a perfect score? Possible I suppose, but wouldn't that make those two organization really identical - they'd have to recognize each other since that's on the test.
In other words, since religion is a set of answers, there is only one master key!
Originally posted by docb77
Yep, it's like a true/false test. Somewhere out there is the master key and in order to be the right religion you need a perfect score - 100%. I think most religions get B's and C's. The true church has to be an A++. Is it possible for more than one church to get a perfect score? Possible I suppose, but wouldn't that make those two organization really identical - they'd have to recognize each other since that's on the test.In other words, since religion is a set of answers, there is only one master key!
Come on... 🙄 There is no absolute truth that we humans can ever understand.