Count Dooku vs Mace Windu

Oh shit! Infinity got SeRvEdâ„¢!

Originally posted by Infinity
guys. dooku wins. rampant ox aka christopher lee's number 1 fan stated enuff reasons..

He didn't even list anything of real value. "l0l DuN m0ch". Wow. Dün Moch. Yeah, that's going to work on one as skilled as Mace Windu. Please.

dooku is considered in the top 10 sith. and he can't beat mace ? what is this ??

Yeah, what is this? Even if you were the "Numero Uno" Sith, it doesn't mean you can't beat say even the third or fourth best Jedi. That's outright fallacious, and devoid of any logical reasoning. Mace Windu is also in the "Top 10 Jedi", so I fail to see how that accounts for anything. You act as if ranking = victory. Sorry, but that's got to be the dumbest thing said.

mace got UBERRR OWNED by dooku 13years b4 rots..

First, let me "LOL".

LOL!

Second, prove he got "uberrr owned". Do we even know the context of the fight? Third, thirteen years before ROTS? As I said, jollyjim already served your ass, son. Anyways, what's your point? A victory in the past means jack shit. Am I going to believe that Darth Vader can beat Luke in an all-our fight thirteen years after ESB? Nope. Doesn't work that way, and it doesn't matter one damn bit.

mace had perfected his style since then. dooku still owns him 13 years later. end of story.

No. End. Of. Story. Btw, neither combatant would "own" in this fight. Quit being a Rampant Ox and Dooku fanboy, it's really ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Ill argue with Sith Lord Windu first. Newb ill get to you later...

Rampant, how can you of all people call anyone a "newb"? Jesus F'ing Christ.

[QUOTE=7156519]Originally posted by Rampant ox
[B]Ill argue with Sith Lord Windu first. Newb ill get to you later...

You'll get to me later? How 'bout I get to you?

You seem to forget that Juyo is ALSO a lightsaber on lightsaber Form.
It has all the elements of Makashi incorperated into it, so Mace already knows its weaknesses and strengths. This means even without Vapaad he would just slightly be able to best Dooku in a duel.

With it, however...

Also, Dun Moch woulden't work on Windu. His self-discipline and mental focus is too strong for it to affect him, so you can throw that out the window.
Indeed, you sound like a true mongoloid if you cant study the facts.
Of course, Mace could beat Dooku. The Vapaad is as much evidence as you need. Even an idiot like you should be able to see that.
Oh, and by the way, It sounds to me like your the noob, you don't even know what Vappad is! LOL.

Why don't you pull your head out of your arse, wipe the sh!t out of your eyes and see the truth.

Mace Windu beats the unliving crap out of Count Dooku.

End of story.

No he does beat the unliving crap (eww what a disgusting comment, unliving crap) out of Dooku. He just wins comfortably.

this is the end of the thread

Mace beats Dooku. whether you say he owns him or just wins, HE WINS!

Again, Mace's Vaapad > Dooku's Makashi
/threadclosed

Originally posted by Master_Starbuck

You seem to forget that Juyo is ALSO a lightsaber on lightsaber Form.
It has all the elements of Makashi incorperated into it, so Mace already knows its weaknesses and strengths. This means even without Vapaad he would just slightly be able to best Dooku in a duel.

Just because Mace might know elements of Makashi hardly means that Mace knows the weaknesses, strengths and how to utilise it properly. Ill agree that Vapaad will be a massive advantage in this battle but not the deciding factor. And without it Mace will die. There power levels are only seperated by a hair anyway.

Also, Dun Moch woulden't work on Windu. His self-discipline and mental focus is too strong for it to affect him, so you can throw that out the window.

Hell yes Mace has alot of self discipline etc. But that doesnt mean it wont effect him. Dooku has known Mace for many years while in the order. Meaning that he may (or may not) be able to get inside his head and bring up some bitter memories from the past. Also Dooku knows how to wind him up. They fought together and used to be friends after all. And on top of all this Dooku is a very apt speaker (He is a politician lol). He used it on Obi-Wan who is very strong minded. "Surely you can do better" and "Master Kenobi you dissapoint me, Yoda holds you in such high esteem". Following this he got his leg and arm almost cut in half.

Indeed, you sound like a true mongoloid if you cant study the facts.
Of course, Mace could beat Dooku. The Vapaad is as much evidence as you need. Even an idiot like you should be able to see that.

Vapaad is not solely going to win Mace the fight. Its like saying Mace will go in with no force powers, no shatterpoint and still be expected to win because he knows Vapaad. Mace will get pwned like that.

Oh, and by the way, It sounds to me like your the noob, you don't even know what Vappad is! LOL.

I didnt call you a noob I called you a newb. This means you are new - I think your grand total of posts is 5. Next time read what I said. And yes I do know what Vapaad is. You must know very little about Dooku though if you think he will be beaten so easily.

Mace Windu beats the unliving crap out of Count Dooku.

Hardly. If Mace was to win, which is perfectly feasible because they are so close in power, it will be extremely close. Why dont you read up on Dooku and get a taste for how powerful he is. He is not weak like you make him out to be. Dooku and Mace are within a hair of each other in terms of power.

What exactly is Shatterpoint? I never read any Prequel Era Novels, and Mace's Vaapad will be what gives him the advantage, not too mention he's younger than Dooku. Also where they fight would be a big factor

From Wookiepedia.

"The story centers around Jedi Master Mace Windu as he attempts to rescue his former Padawan, Depa Billaba, from his homeworld of Haruun Kal. Caught up in the Summertime War, Mace found himself dealing with, among other things, the religious consequences of war and the toll it takes on people. However, he was too late to save the one person who was like a daughter to him. Lured to the dark side of the Force by Kar Vastor (the last of Gösh Windu, aside from Mace), Depa attacked and was defeated by her former master. Upon being returned to Coruscant, Billaba remained floating in bacta in an insane status. Though her physical wounds would heal, she would remain in a comatose state until her end."

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
What exactly is Shatterpoint? I never read any Prequel Era Novels, and Mace's Vaapad will be what gives him the advantage, not too mention he's younger than Dooku. Also where they fight would be a big factor

I dont know how to explain a shatterpoint. Correct me if im wrong but it is something that Mace can do which will cause a chain reaction and change the future. For example Dooku was the Clone Wars shatterpoint, and had Mace killed him then the war wouldnt have begun.

Vappad will probably be the biggest factor in the battle, but this doesnt mean it is going to win Mace the fight. Dooku has mastered, perfected and modified Makashi - the lightsaber to lightsaber form. Also age wont be that big of a factor. Dooku is said to be as fit as a 40 year old and his style prevents him from tiring quickly.

See how you're such a hypocrite yet, Rampant?

No. Please enlighten me. 🙄

You cannot be surrr-ious, son. You claimed that Dooku's age was a fiz-actor, saying shit like "Dooku's 80 vs. Two fit, young men", heavily implying one factor that lead to Dooku's loss was his age. Now, you say it doesn't matter!

Now, are you f*cking down? Or are you "f*cking" down? You tell me, son. I don't play these games.

Originally posted by Advent
You cannot be surrr-ious, son. You claimed that Dooku's age was a fiz-actor, saying shit like "Dooku's 80 vs. Two fit, young men", heavily implying one factor that lead to Dooku's loss was his age. Now, you say it doesn't matter!

Yes, because in that battle he was physically unable to keep up with the duo - Anakin in particular. We have all seen the quotes about how Dooku wasnt strong enough to keep up with Anakins attacks. But in this battle it is one on one, thus Dooku doesnt have to worry about keeping up with two lightsabers. Also Mace is not as strong as a fully enraged Anakin. Dooku is more than fit enough to keep up with Mace. However his style may not be - it depends how he blocks Mace's attacks.

Now, are you f*cking down? Or are you "f*cking" down? You tell me, son. I don't play these games.

wtf 😮‍💨

Just more countless from Rampant ox. You gotta' love it.

Dooku has already proven himself superior to Mace Windu in lightsaber combat. It says so under the EU part of Mace Windu bio thing on www.starwars.com However, if people argue that that was probably before Mace developed Vaapad, I say it's all we have to see who's the better fighter.

Originally posted by Council#13
Dooku has already proven himself superior to Mace Windu in lightsaber combat. It says so under the EU part of Mace Windu bio thing on www.starwars.com

Yeah, and it also has a grammatical error. "Only the most skilled of the Jedi could master the his Form VII discipline of combat." Anyways, that wasn't anytime recent. So, who cares?

However, if people argue that that was probably before Mace developed Vaapad, I say it's all we have to see who's the better fighter.

No, it's not. It was a fight thirteen years ago. If it happened during ROTS, even AOTC - it'd be something to go on, however, it didn't. We've seen Anakin beat Dooku, whereas a few years prior he was tooled by him. We cannot base fights off one's that happened years ago. Now, if it were ROTS Anakin vs. ROTS Dooku (for a versus match), their fight in ROTS would definitely matter because it's the same incarnations we're discussing.

firstly, rampant, anakin wasn't enraged in the dooku fight. "you have anger, you have hate... but you do not use them" which CLEARLY states that anakin wasn't enraged. the only reson he killed dooku at the end of the battle was because he was manipulated by palp'. if anakin was enraged then he would have owned him quicker, and before you say he didnn't own him, ask yourself "why was dooku constantly moving batle and on the defense?". he even let him grab his hands before he cut them off!

secondly, dooku is old, his form does minamise energy loss but mace was, IMO, in his prime during ROTS, afteral he did beat palp'. this means that mace would have had the strengh and energy to kill dooku, it like the actors fighting if chris was 60 instead of 80.

lastly, dun moch wouldn't work, if you read the description of vapaad then you'll read that it was a stae of mind and the user had to enjoy the battle. even if he did, it wouldn't make mace doubt or make a mistake, he'd just get more aggresive and shorten the battle

Please, just end this thread.

Originally posted by Advent
You cannot be surrr-ious, son. a fiz-actor, Two fit, young men", Now, are you f*cking down? Or are you "f*cking" down? You tell me, son. I don't play these games.

😆 😆 😂 😂 😆

Originally posted by ESB -1138
True but Dooku also held his own against the strongest Jedi, Yoda for a good bit till he knew when to go. If Dooku would have stayed Clone Troopers would have been on him plus Yoda. And Dooku is clearly stronger in the force then Obi so Dooku wouldn't have a problem taking on Mace.