Originally posted by Darthburgerking
Mace, because he's said to be the 2nd strongest jedi only behind Yoda, and if Anakin could take Dooku, I"m sure Mace who was stronger than Anakin could kill him too.
theres no eveidence anywhere that mace was stronger than anakin.. when anakin defeated dooku that was to show the audience that now anakin is a fully fledged knight he is capable of taking down any jedi or sith. thats why hes the chosen one!
Re: Count Dooku vs Mace Windu
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Who would win between the former Jedi Masters Count Dooku and Mace Windu. Note I said former because Dooku leaves and becomes a Sith and Mace gets killed. I would say Dooku since he is clearly able to keep his own against Obi-Wan and Obi is stronger then Mace because only the two strongest Jedi survive the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan and Yoda.
Mace Windu. Especially before Dooku turned to the Dark Side. How is Obi-Wan more powerful than Mace? I remember interviews and other official lucasfilm publications stating Mace was the best and 2nd to only Yoda.
Originally posted by Fishy
Eh wrong...When did Dooku beat Mace? At least 13 years before ROTS because thats the time he left the order... Thats at the very minimal... Mace would have improved a lot, all Dooku could have done sinse then is... Well nothing he had already perfected his lightsaber style.
Actually Dooku did get more powerful since then after turning to the dark side. Remember Yoda says to Dooku "Powerful you have become Dooku. hmm The Dark side i sense in you!"
Originally posted by truejedi
are u kidding me? we are discussing this? after it died almost 2 years ago? and still in the EU section, not the VS. section.
sorry but i jus read this recently and wanted to respond to a few of the comments.. besides not a bad time to start discussing again since the clone wars animation will be out this year!
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
The XYZ property actually works here. Mace was able to out duel Sidious who was Dooku's master and he has a greater force abilities than either of them. Not to mention he was a greater swordsman the Dooku to.
well thats the thing though we only saw mace in that 1 fight with sidious really, and his whole support is based on that 1 fight which he won.. whilst with everyone else we've seen them win and lose.
for example if we only saw obi-wan fight grevious and anakin, i.e the fights he won, the our opinion of obi-wan's power ans skill wuld be very different.. also if there was no obi-wan vs. anakin fight then just about everyone would have assumed anakin wuld beat obi-wan because he beat dooku who humiliated obi-wan with that force throw.
I personally think that mace is as good as yoda or sidious in a sword fight, so that culd go either way. you can actually tell from the mace vs. sidioud sword fight that it could have gone either way.. However due to yodas and sidious's superior force powers they could in an all out fight take mace like 7/10 times.
Dooku on the other hand showed hes just a little below yoda in sword fighting, and pretty much just as good with the force.
So both Mace and Dooku's powers are very close to Yoda's and Sidious's with Mace seeminlgly having the advantage in sword fighting, but Dooku with Force abilities, so I say a very close fight that could go either way.
SS, who would win in a fight: Yoda or Mace Windu (SuperShadow: A pure light saber duel would go in Windu's favor. A battle of only Force powers would end with Yoda the victor.) or Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi (SuperShadow: Obi-Wan is the luckiest Jedi of all time. He can't be defeated unless he sacrifices himself for the greater good.) or Yoda and Kenobi? (SuperShadow: Obi-Wan for the same reasons as against Windu.)
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
well thats the thing though we only saw mace in that 1 fight with sidious really, and his whole support is based on that 1 fight which he won.. whilst with everyone else we've seen them win and lose.
We have also seen Mace fight his apprentice Depa who herself is very strong and the only other person that can rival Mace with
Vapaad(which Vapaad itself makes Mace even more dangerous vs darksiders such as dooku) and can definitely rival Anakin. Then we see him fight Kar Vastor who is arguably the strongest or one of the strongest non-jedi or sith to have ever appeared in star wars. Mace has also beaten Sora Bulq and Ventress to in single combat. Not to mention what he does in the cw cartoons.
I personally think that mace is as good as yoda or sidious in a sword fight, so that culd go either way. you can actually tell from the mace vs. sidioud sword fight that it could have gone either way.. However due to yodas and sidious's superior force powers they could in an all out fight take mace like 7/10 times
Dooku on the other hand showed hes just a little below yoda in sword fighting, and pretty much just as good with the force.
So both Mace and Dooku's powers are very close to Yoda's and Sidious's with Mace seeminlgly having the advantage in sword fighting, but Dooku with Force abilities, so I say a very close fight that could go either way.
Elite Hunter i agree Mace is one of the very few who can contend with Sidious, but it wuld have to be in a lightsaber duel, which Sidious can also take.
Lucas has also said Mace is no.2 to Yoda... This is due to Yoda able to rival Mace in a lightsaber battle but best him with force abilities. Dooku was almost Yodas match in both areas.
I know he retreated from Yoda, but like i sed ALMOST a match, which means Dooku wuld most likely not win. He culdnt fight Yoda forever since Yoda had other clone troopers and jedi coming to help. The same as when Yoda ran form sidioud because Yoda culdnt fight him forever, as he had his own Empire! lol!
Mace deflected some of the Emporers Lightning with his lightsaber, but not all of it, some of it was hitting Mace, and Mace was shouting in pain. Also Sidious doesnt even like using lightsabers... he was forced into a lightsaber duel with Mace because the fight started with 4 Jedis all with their Lightsabers Ignited!! so he had to engage them in a lightsaber battle to quickly take out the other 3, and then see what happens with Mace. Using his Force Powers to take out all 4 of them defineltely would not have worked!
Also Elite Hunter Iv just been going from the movies.. I dnt take every single novel and comic written as cannon... A lot of it has been taken as cannon and incorporated into the movies, but a lot has also blatantly contradicted the movies as the prequels were still being made. Lots of different writers write the comics and novels, all of whom are fans in thier own right and have their own favorite characters.
However if we are going by the EU, Dooku and Yoda, are sed to be the only ones who used to best Mace in lightsaber combat. I know this was before Mace completed Vaapad, but Dooku also got more powerful when he turned to the DarkSide.
Also Vaapad is the most lethal lightsaber style but does not automatically, equal victory. If you are The Master of any of forms 2-5, and are powerful enough, then that would be a definet challenge for Mace, as those forms have been fully developed over centuries, whilst Mace is just kinda figuring out Vaapad himself, and is nowhere near as developed as the other forms.
Dooku uses form 2 which is sed to be the best for blade to blade combat.. And Dooku has fully mastered this form and perfected it. Though I wuld still admit that Mace has the advantage with Vaapad in a balde fight, but Dookus extra use of and expertise with the Force could and should easily even the odds in my opinion.
Originally posted by DARTH POWEREven if Dooku became more powerful after turning to the Dark Side, Mace's newfound ability with Vapaad is what will defeat him, as Vapaad does that whole crazy thing about turning the opponent's own darkness, as well as the user's inner darkness, AGAINST the opponent. Dooku's worse for the wear in that case.
Also Elite Hunter Iv just been going from the movies.. I dnt take every single novel and comic written as cannon... A lot of it has been taken as cannon and incorporated into the movies, but a lot has also blatantly contradicted the movies as the prequels were still being made. Lots of different writers write the comics and novels, all of whom are fans in thier own right and have their own favorite characters.However if we are going by the EU, Dooku and Yoda, are sed to be the only ones who used to best Mace in lightsaber combat. I know this was before Mace completed Vaapad, but Dooku also got more powerful when he turned to the DarkSide.
Also Vaapad is the most lethal lightsaber style but does not automatically, equal victory. If you are The Master of any of forms 2-5, and are powerful enough, then that would be a definet challenge for Mace, as those forms have been fully developed over centuries, whilst Mace is just kinda figuring out Vaapad himself, and is nowhere near as developed as the other forms.
Dooku uses form 2 which is sed to be the best for blade to blade combat.. And Dooku has fully mastered this form and perfected it. Though I wuld still admit that Mace has the advantage with Vaapad in a balde fight, but Dookus extra use of and expertise with the Force could and should easily even the odds in my opinion.
Originally posted by sweersa
www.supershadow.comSS, who would win in a fight: Yoda or Mace Windu (SuperShadow: A pure light saber duel would go in Windu's favor. A battle of only Force powers would end with Yoda the victor.) or Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi (SuperShadow: Obi-Wan is the luckiest Jedi of all time. He can't be defeated unless he sacrifices himself for the greater good.) or Yoda and Kenobi? (SuperShadow: Obi-Wan for the same reasons as against Windu.)
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please don't tell me you didn't just do supershadow.com as a source... please.... c'mon man, what is this forum coming too?