The bible says earth is only 7000 yerars old science says it is 5,000,000,000 Y.o

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
I'd just expect someone who lives what I'm saying not to understand what i'm saying.
The soul, which is ones purpose in life, does not exist according to what you say + the theory of evolution, what's the point if there's nothing to work for in life? So nobody has a purpose = Poor people dissapearing won't change anything else in the world because they don't have a purpose, yet there's no purpose to the world either so if everyone on earth died it wouldn't make a difference, no unhappiness, no anger, no wars etc because everyone wouldn't exist nomore which means that there is no such word as everyone because noone exists in your so called 'reality', Is this the way world peace should be?

Plus, the main thing we(you) are not believing in here is supposed to created everything, including science, so science won't work on me. How can science work against GOD?

Do not conflate purpose with meaning. Something need not have a purpose to be meaningful.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
No one I know being chirstian or not, believe in what you say, that nothing has a purpose, and soul does not exist. Science doesn´t work against God, its just your opinion. Science just not interfere. But religion does interfere, and in my opinion it caused much trouble to "God" whatever it is. God is not something that can be diminished into a simple book.

I ain't saying science works against god, I'm saying science works WITH god. It's god makes science not science makes god, to me it's UNPROVED science interferes god, to you it's god interferes science even though evolution wasn't even proven properly, but to me that's completely impossible because god created science. The laws of gravity don't interfere with god, photosythesis doesn't interfere with god. Even though some things do make it seem like the world didn't appear thousands, but billions of years ago, these things are of few, plus it doesn't even say in the Bible how old the earth is.

Christians know that life has a purpose, and that souls exist, so how can anyone you know that is christian not believe in what i say?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I never said I did not believe in the concept of a soul. I may not believe in your concept of a soul, but that does not mean I do not believe in a concept of a soul. You simply assumed that I lacked such beliefs and again assumed Christianity holds a monopoly over such concepts. [b]Which it does not.

I don't know why you keep referring to the "the poor people". By your logic you could just as easily refer to any other demographic and yet you choose to refer to "the poor people" being eradicated from the world. 🤨

I'm not entirely sure if your implying that if I don't believe in your god that I don't believe that people have a soul or purpose or value and therefore I would not care if a large population of people dies. Or whether you're implying that if people do not believe in your god that they lack a soul or purpose or value in which case it would not matter if a large population of the people who do not believe in your god died. Either way this is fallacy because both are based merely on your assumption of a Christian monopoly over the concept of a soul, purpose or value. (btw these three words are not synonyms)

No real answer to my question, then again I can't really say I expected one. And imo answering a question with a question is an overused diversionary tactic.

You believe he is supposed to have created everything including science. I do not.
Therefore there is no conflict of interest in my eyes when scientific evidence disproves scripture, which it does... a lot.
This also relies on an assumption that a theory cannot disprove a prior theory. Which is an incorrect assumption.

Besides science has never set out with the implicit goal of disproving the existence god, but scientific concepts and theories that have been produced by luminaries in their respective fields have disproved among other things that the age of the earth can be counted in thousands. [/B]

"I never said I did not believe in the concept of a soul. I may not believe in your concept of a soul, but that does not mean I do not believe in a concept of a soul. You simply assumed that I lacked such beliefs and again assumed Christianity holds a monopoly over such concepts. Which it does not."
Who are you supposed to be arguing against again? oh Yes, A powerful soul, i wonder where they go when we die.

"I don't know why you keep referring to the "the poor people". By your logic you could just as easily refer to any other demographic and yet you choose to refer to "the poor people" being eradicated from the world. 🤨"
Because they seem to be the people who everyone is supposed to actually feel sorry for, a symbol of ones feelings, let's put it that way.
I am saying that according to the loss of a god, there is no reason for charities because when someone dies nothing happens to them, so what's the point?

"I'm not entirely sure if your implying that if I don't believe in your god that I don't believe that people have a soul or purpose or value and therefore I would not care if a large population of people dies. Or whether you're implying that if people do not believe in your god that they lack a soul or purpose or value in which case it would not matter if a large population of the people who do not believe in your god died. Either way this is fallacy because both are based merely on your assumption of a Christian monopoly over the concept of a soul, purpose or value. (btw these three words are not synonyms)"

Ooah, so there is a meaning to life then? What else has a monoploly over souls? Why would souls matter in a universe which doesn't matter either?
I am saying that your view points towards an anti-purpose to anyones life, so there is no purpose to poor-peoples(or anyone elses) lives so why worry about their problems when they have no purpose in the universe?
If you don't get this i have a long explanation of it which can get quite confusing.

"You believe he is supposed to have created everything including science. I do not."
Ok then, so the point of you being here telling me things is? If you are here to prove me wrong about a god you'll have to use my language, which science isn't.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Do not conflate purpose with meaning. Something need not have a purpose to be meaningful.

So what's makes humans so meaningful then?

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
So what's makes humans so meaningful then?

Humans are no more meaningful than anything else in the cosmos. Therefore, sense meaningful requires that something be meaningless, it doesn't apply to humans when compared with the cosmos. This is the same thinking as saying the sun goes around the earth. We are, therefore me must be special. As we grow, we learn that this is not the case, we are not special. Which I consider to be very special.

So i or you or anyone else is worth a pile of dirt and means as much of a pile of dirt too, which also doesn't matter. That is a really not-right way of putting it.
We must have a meaning because we are unique, soil doesn't have feelings like us, the sun doesn't have a meaning like us, the only other things we know that have lives are the people and creatures that lives with us, unanimate objects can't be worth more than us, and they can't have more of a meaning than us either. As they are the only other things that are in the universe that aren't on earth.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
So i or you or anyone else is worth a pile of dirt, which also doesn't matter. That is a really not-right way of putting it.

No, we are star dust; well, so is "a pile of dirt", and in the bible God made man from "a pile of dirt". Instead of lowering us, bring everything else up to us, then you will realize how incredible life is.

I know in the bible god made man from dirt, yet he made man better than dirt because he actually made them.
I'm afraid to say this, but life seems to feel more incredible being better than star dust, It feels amazing to me that god could turn a pile of dirt into something special, something he cares about.

In simple, we are better than star dust, just because we are made of it doesn't mean we are actually that specific thing, we are different to the stuff we walk on.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
I know in the bible god made man from dirt, yet he made man better than dirt because he actually made them.
I'm afraid to say this, but life seems to feel more incredible being better than star dust, It feels amazing to me that god could turn a pile of dirt into something special, something he cares about.

Who made the dirt?

To make a good cake, you need good ingredients.

God made the dirt

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
God made the dirt

If God made the dirt, then what is more meaningful, you or the dirt you are made from?

All things are God, smile and be happy.

He made man, he meant to make man, that is the meaning for creation, cos god wanted to. God made humans as his children, that's the meaning to life, we were meant to live with god happily forever, yet Adam and Eve defied him and that was only the start of the loss of the meaning. As the human race began to defy, they began to forget who the boss was, and once people forgot people began to not care about life and went off in all directions. When you see the difference between good and evil you're doomed to try one side and which ever one you choose might make you happy, but the true side is good, the one that made you.

He made dirt for his children to walk on, he decided to make man from dirt for his own reasons.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
He made man, he meant to make man, that is the meaning for creation, cos god wanted to. God made humans as his children, that's the meaning to life, we were meant to live with god happily forever, yet Adam and Eve defied him and that was only the start of the loss of the meaning. As the human race began to defy, they began to forget who the boss was, and once people forgot people began to not care about life and went off in all directions. When you see the difference between good and evil you're doomed to try one side and which ever one you choose might make you happy, but the true side is good, the one that made you.

I don't understand... You seem to be talking in circles.

God made all things, correct?

Did God make man to defile God's creation?

Did God make man for man's ego? In other words, is it right for man to think he is better than what God created?

All things are equally divine. Different things have different purposes, but that does not mean that all other things are less than us.

God did not make man to defy him, when he made man he made them in his view, if someone who never had the abilities of personalities suddenly gained them, they could use them in the wrong style and do wrong things, so he told them what not to do, but in the end they abused their ability of personalities and ate from the tree, which gave them The Knowledge of Good And Evil because they disobeyed Gods rule, not because of the tree itself, all this was even more deadly still. God didn't plan this, so he hoped for the best and just in case made a backup plan(Armaggedon).

What would be wrong in thinking humans are better than dirt? But you do have a point though. I was only saying that we are better because we actually are, it's a fact.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
What would be wrong in thinking humans are better than dirt? But you do have a point though.

A good steward is one who cares for the property of someone else and does not treat it as hi own. He cares for it as his own but never forgets who it belongs too.

I see so many people begrudge their lives. Life is the greatest and only thing you have, when you die, you leave everything material behind. To think you are better than dirt is to live outside of the truth. I am not saying you are worthless, I am saying that all things are precious and part of God.

Adam, I'm not ignoring your one post (you know, that one), but I'm really tired right now and I don't have the faculties to provide a sufficient answer.

what answer?

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
I ain't saying science works against god, I'm saying science works WITH god. It's god makes science not science makes god, to me it's UNPROVED science interferes god, to you it's god interferes science even though evolution wasn't even proven properly, but to me that's completely impossible because god created science. The laws of gravity don't interfere with god, photosythesis doesn't interfere with god. Even though some things do make it seem like the world didn't appear thousands, but billions of years ago, these things are of few, plus it doesn't even say in the Bible how old the earth is.

If you choose to disregard the proof of concepts such as evolution or the deduction that the Earth's age numbers in the billions that does not negate the fact that proof exists.
Scientific findings, deductions produced from evidence, can and will defy the views of the church. Ever heard of a man named Galileo Galilei? The church can either resist change or adapt to change. If you know anything about evolution you'll know the latter will do a lot more to ensure survival.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Christians know that life has a purpose, and that souls exist, so how can anyone you know that is christian not believe in what i say?

You assume you speak for all of Christianity? I have friends of all different religions, none of them deny the existence of evolution. None of them have ever expressed that the existence of evolution diminishes their belief in the existence of a deity.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Who are you supposed to be arguing against again? oh Yes, A powerful soul, i wonder where they go when we die.

Read and comprehend. Do not just read. At no point did I argue against the existence of a soul.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Because they seem to be the people who everyone is supposed to actually feel sorry for, a symbol of ones feelings, let's put it that way.
I am saying that according to the loss of a god, there is no reason for charities because when someone dies nothing happens to them, so what's the point?

Ooah, so there is a meaning to life then? What else has a monoploly over souls? Why would souls matter in a universe which doesn't matter either?
I am saying that your view points towards an anti-purpose to anyones life, so there is no purpose to poor-peoples(or anyone elses) lives so why worry about their problems when they have no purpose in the universe?
If you don't get this i have a long explanation of it which can get quite confusing.

Again you assume that one does not have a concept of a soul because one does not have your concept of a soul. This is either a display of arrogance or ignorance.

If you believe that a belief in god is the only reason one should care for the well being of an entire continent of people, then that really speaks more about your perceptions of the world than anyone else's.

You presume too much if you if you presume to know my point of view. You make large and illogical leaps to conclusions based on what appear to be your points of view, but are definitely not mine. Again I must ask you to read and comprehend. At no point did I argue that the soul does not exist. At no point did I argue that purpose in life does not exist. At no point did I argue that the soul equates to one's purpose in life, that seems to be your point of view. At no point did I argue that life would lack purpose if the soul doesn't exist. At no point did I argue that life would lack value if it lacked purpose or if the concept of a soul does not exist. I did state my belief that the three concepts are not identical and cannot be used interchangeably.

Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Ok then, so the point of you being here telling me things is? If you are here to prove me wrong about a god you'll have to use my language, which science isn't.

too much information, I'm too dizzy to think.

I find it very funny when someone brings up carbon dating or any other "proof" that Earth is billions of years old.

Honestly, how can anyone know for absolute sure that something is billions of years old? Even with evidence.

There is proof that Earth might be billions of years old, but I don't see how there is any proof that it is definitely billions of years old. I mean, how many rocks have you seen age for billions of years?
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