But exactly how many years does it take for diamonds or fossils to be made? And how many times have scientists watched a rock age for billions of years?
There is no possible way for a scientist to know for absolute sure that a rock is billions of years old. They think there are rocks that old, but they don't know for sure.
Originally posted by dawsey28
But exactly how many years does it take for diamonds or fossils to be made? And how many times have scientists watched a rock age for billions of years?There is no possible way for a scientist to know for absolute sure that a rock is billions of years old. They think there are rocks that old, but they don't know for sure.
They didn´t watched it, they did carbon 14 dating. For carbon to desintegrate it takes a long time, the scientists calculated the rate at which the carbon 14 decay, and knowing how much carbon 14 already decayed, scientists estimate the age of those fossils. You know.... the only way that the carbon 14 can decay in the quantity that is verified in fossils, is let pass billions of years. If the world had 7000 years like Chibi Boy said, no carbon will have decayed that much.
The key word there is "calculated." It is up to you whether or not to believe calculations. But just remember that calculations can be wrong.
(Not much different than someone saying the Bible could be wrong, now is it?)
I already know about carbon dating, I mentioned it earlier. The point is that carbon 14 dating isn't absolute because no one has studied rocks for billions of years. I admit that it is a good indication that Earth is billions of years old, but it is not absolute.
You say:
"the only way that the carbon 14 can decay in the quantity that is verified in fossils, is let pass billions of years."
but how do you know that?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If [b]you choose to disregard the proof of concepts such as evolution or the deduction that the Earth's age numbers in the billions that does not negate the fact that proof exists.
Scientific findings, deductions produced from evidence, can and will defy the views of the church. Ever heard of a man named Galileo Galilei? The church can either resist change or adapt to change. If you know anything about evolution you'll know the latter will do a lot more to ensure survival.You assume you speak for all of Christianity? I have friends of all different religions, none of them deny the existence of evolution. None of them have ever expressed that the existence of evolution diminishes their belief in the existence of a deity.
Read and comprehend. Do not just read. At no point did I argue against the existence of a soul.
Again you assume that one does not have a concept of a soul because one does not have your concept of a soul. This is either a display of arrogance or ignorance.
If you believe that a belief in god is the only reason one should care for the well being of an entire continent of people, then that really speaks more about your perceptions of the world than anyone else's.
You presume too much if you if you presume to know my point of view. You make large and illogical leaps to conclusions based on what appear to be your points of view, but are definitely not mine. Again I must ask you to read and comprehend. At no point did I argue that the soul does not exist. At no point did I argue that purpose in life does not exist. At no point did I argue that the soul equates to one's purpose in life, that seems to be your point of view. At no point did I argue that life would lack purpose if the soul doesn't exist. At no point did I argue that life would lack value if it lacked purpose or if the concept of a soul does not exist. I did state my belief that the three concepts are not identical and cannot be used interchangeably.
I never set out to prove you wrong about god, a rather egocentric observation. I am here in this particular thread because I believe the Earth to be aged in the billions, and I'd like to see what others believe. You ask why I am here? I ask why are you here if you are unwilling to read, comprehend and respect the views of others, and accept that others have different views to your own. [/B]
You're trying to prove me wrong now, or why are you answering everything I say?
"deductions produced from evidence, can and will defy the views of the church." You'll find that Science rarely disagrees with the bible, Maybe some examples might improve your sentence?
"You assume you speak for all of Christianity? I have friends of all different religions, none of them deny the existence of evolution. None of them have ever expressed that the existence of evolution diminishes their belief in the existence of a deity." HOW can a Christian believe in evolution? It denies the main thing which the Bible says, that god made people seperate from monkeys.
"If you believe that a belief in god is the only reason one should care for the well being of an entire continent of people, then that really speaks more about your perceptions of the world than anyone else's." Look, if nobodies future matters why should their well being? If they're just gonna dissappear from existance when they die and you'll get no punishment it doesn't give a reason for them to be there or for you to care.
"You presume too much if you if you presume to know my point of view. You make large and illogical leaps to conclusions based on what appear to be your points of view, but are definitely not mine. Again I must ask you to read and comprehend. At no point did I argue that the soul does not exist. At no point did I argue that purpose in life does not exist. At no point did I argue that the soul equates to one's purpose in life, that seems to be your point of view. At no point did I argue that life would lack purpose if the soul doesn't exist. At no point did I argue that life would lack value if it lacked purpose or if the concept of a soul does not exist. I did state my belief that the three concepts are not identical and cannot be used interchangeably."
Whos side are you on again?
"I never set out to prove you wrong about god, a rather egocentric observation. I am here in this particular thread because I believe the Earth to be aged in the billions, and I'd like to see what others believe. You ask why I am here? I ask why are you here if you are unwilling to read, comprehend and respect the views of others, and accept that others have different views to your own." If you came here to see my view why are you trying to change it? You seem to be saying all this about me saying things about arrogance, So if you're just here to see my point leave it be.
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
You'll find that Science rarely disagrees with the bible, Maybe some examples might improve your sentence?
Science rarely disagrees with The Bible? 😆
Maybe some examples might improve your argument. 😆
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
HOW can a Christian believe in evolution? It denies the main thing which the Bible says, that god made people seperate from monkeys.
The Catholic Church is one of many denominations of Christianity that accept modern evolutionary theory.
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
If they're just gonna dissappear from existance when they die and you'll get no punishment it doesn't give a reason for them to be there or for you to care.
One who does good for hope of reward or fear of punishment is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
If there is no afterlife, no second chance, then this life is more precious because it is the only one you have, and the only chance you have.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Science rarely disagrees with The Bible? 😆Maybe some examples might improve your argument. 😆
The Catholic Church is one of many denominations of Christianity that accept modern evolutionary theory.
One who does good for hope of reward or fear of punishment is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
If there is no afterlife, no second chance, then this life is more precious because it is the only one you have, and the only chance you have.
"Science rarely disagrees with The Bible? 😆
Maybe some examples might improve your argument."
Hehe, very funny, The Bible says that the world is a sphere, the Bible says that the universe was created (Like all the leading scientists of the world have been researching and the only results they have found are the existance of a creator. It wasn't all over the news because noone wants to believe in a god, and neither did most of the scientists), The Bible says that in the future they were going to have things which can FLY (Planes), the Bible says that there was a flood which science has also proven using the same sort of evidence. There is also many other ways in which they agree, in some ways god can change the laws of science, the only times they dissagree is what breaks us apart.
"The Catholic Church is one of many denominations of Christianity that accept modern evolutionary theory."
😆 You would have been better not mentioning that one, and which 'christian' religion is the one that was most common and hated the Jews in the past (Breaking the rules of the Bible)? Catholics. So they clearly aren't the same sort of Christian as what I am or any other type of Christian, which makes them a completely different religion. MY type of christian, are the normal Christians, the ones that read the Bible, believe in god, and are how we are supposed to be, we might not be perfect, but we try hard. The Catholics aren't normal Christians, they have different views.
"One who does good for hope of reward or fear of punishment is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons."
Like abiding by the laws of the country? Everyone who doesn't have any other moral way only abides by those laws because they'd go to Jail if they don't, what could stop you from ignoring those rules if they didn't exist? Through the whole of my life i have seen non-Christians, they are all the same distance away from being good as each other. They go around teasing, bullying and taking the mic. I don't do good for fear of punishment or for a reward, I do good because i want to show people how good I am. This isn't my view, this is TRUTH, My friends have been bullied because of being a Christian, i have been bullied because of stupid reasons, I don't bully.
"If there is no afterlife, no second chance, then this life is more precious because it is the only one you have, and the only chance you have."
What makes this life so precious when it doesn't even NEED to exist? If we don't NEED to exist then there is no REASON to exist/live. And don't say existance and life are 2 seperate things bcause they ain't, and don't say the need to exist doesn't stop life fom being important because it does. If you don't need a drink of water why get one?
I wonder where the tiny creature that evolved into a monkey-into-us came from? Life should be really common if millions of different types of animals appeared on one planet. it increases the chance of life on another.
Like all the leading scientists of the world have been researching and the only results they have found are the existance of a creatoroh please name these scientists that have found results of a creator, and their evidence would be nice to peek at too
It wasn't all over the news because noone wants to believe in a god, and neither did most of the scientists😂 😂 if they had found evidence of a creator it would have been all over the news
You would have been better not mentioning that one, and which 'christian' religion is the one that was most common and hated the Jews in the past (Breaking the rules of the Bible)? Catholicsand the protestants havent???
other type of Christian, which makes them a completely different religion. MY type of christian, are the normal Christians, the ones that read the Bible, believe in god, and are how we are supposed to be, we might not be perfect, but we try hard. The Catholics aren't normal Christians, they have different views.so if they have different views than you they aint normal christians??? back to ignorant arrogance yet again. What denomination are you a part off?
Everyone who doesn't have any other moral way only abides by those laws because they'd go to Jail if they don't, what could stop you from ignoring those rules if they didn't exist?and this differ from abiding laws out of an urge to go to heaven how????and what would stop you from abiding the biblical laws if they didnt exist?
Through the whole of my life i have seen non-Christians, they are all the same distance away from being good as each other. They go around teasing, bullying and taking the mic. I don't do good for fear of punishment or for a reward, I do good because i want to show people how good I am. This isn't my view, this is TRUTH, My friends have been bullied because of being a Christian, i have been bullied because of stupid reasons, I don't bully.I do good cause thats who I am, I need no reward for it nor do I need to show others how good I am through my deeds , my deeds are for their benefit not my own
Life should be really common if millions of different types of animals appeared on one planet. it increases the chance of life on another.life is actually more common than you think
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Hehe, very funny, The Bible says that the world is a sphere, the Bible says that the universe was created (Like all the leading scientists of the world have been researching and the only results they have found are the existance of a creator. It wasn't all over the news because noone wants to believe in a god, and neither did most of the scientists), The Bible says that in the future they were going to have things which can FLY (Planes), the Bible says that there was a flood which science has also proven using the same sort of evidence. There is also many other ways in which they agree, in some ways god can change the laws of science, the only times they dissagree is what breaks us apart.
The Bible also states that angels in heaven pour bowls of water through vents in the sky to cause rain, and this water drains through vents in the ground, collecting in the underworld called Sheol.
Science prove that one yet? 🙄
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
😆 You would have been better not mentioning that one, and which 'christian' religion is the one that was most common and hated the Jews in the past (Breaking the rules of the Bible)? Catholics. So they clearly aren't the same sort of Christian as what I am or any other type of Christian, which makes them a completely different religion. MY type of christian, are the normal Christians, the ones that read the Bible, believe in god, and are how we are supposed to be, we might not be perfect, but we try hard. The Catholics aren't normal Christians, they have different views.
You would have been better off not saying that Catholics do not believe in God and read The Bible like you "normal" Christians. 🙄
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
Like abiding by the laws of the country? Everyone who doesn't have any other moral way only abides by those laws because they'd go to Jail if they don't, what could stop you from ignoring those rules if they didn't exist? Through the whole of my life i have seen non-Christians, they are all the same distance away from being good as each other. They go around teasing, bullying and taking the mic. I don't do good for fear of punishment or for a reward, I do good because i want to show people how good I am. This isn't my view, this is TRUTH, My friends have been bullied because of being a Christian, i have been bullied because of stupid reasons, I don't bully.
This argument commits the logic fallacies of Hasty Generalization and Unrepresentative Sample.
Apparently, all non-Christians are the same, from Catholics, who according to you are not true Christians, to Hindus, to atheists, and Christians have a monoipoly on ethical behavior. 🙄
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
What makes this life so precious when it doesn't even NEED to exist? If we don't NEED to exist then there is no REASON to exist/live. And don't say existance and life are 2 seperate things bcause they ain't, and don't say the need to exist doesn't stop life fom being important because it does. If you don't need a drink of water why get one?
A child who is the result of an unplanned pregnancy is not loved any less by his parents than a child who is planned for.
It is not the need to exist which makes life precious, but that it does exist.
Originally posted by Chibi Boy
I wonder where the tiny creature that evolved into a monkey-into-us came from? Life should be really common if millions of different types of animals appeared on one planet. it increases the chance of life on another.
They are single-celled organisms, the most abundant lifeforms on the planet. 🙄