Wolverine Wins!

Originally posted by Piedmon
\. Martial Arts is like science, writing, or any other discipline: to create something new, you have to have something to base it on.

So your saying that Kung-fu and other martial arts styles sprang out of the trees?

Someone had to create the style, think of how it could be used effectively. A good example would be Akido, someone thought:

If I could use someone's own energy of attack and turn it agaisnt them it would be an awesome weapon.

Anyone can create thier own style, and though Spider-man's style does not have a name per say, it is a style.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just going on what I got 😛 . Even at 800 lbs he's never been superhumanly strong just (enhanced human)-ly strong. I have no idea how anyone could believe he could face off with Hulk. (Yes I know it's happened but within reason it shouldn't)

Because he has a healing factor that can mend the damage the Hulk dishes out in seconds and has adamantium claws that can cut through people with partial invunrability with little to no force behind them. And for the record Wolverine is above 800lbs and is in the low superhuman strength range

Originally posted by Zenoside
Anyone can create thier own style, and though Spider-man's style does not have a name per say, it is a style.

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because he has a healing factor that can mend the damage the Hulk dishes out in seconds and has adamantium claws that can cut through people with partial invunrability with little to no force behind them. And for the record Wolverine is above 800lbs and is in the low superhuman strength range

He cant regenerate a bullet wound (much less a crushing punch from the hulk) in less than a minute!

On a further note, just cause he has an admantium skeleton, it doesnt mean he cant be knocked the heck out. A concussion can occur when the brain hits one of the walls within your cranium too hard. One punch from the hulk should lay him out flat.

Originally posted by Piedmon
What's that style..... street-brawling? No seriously, I can't claim to follow Spider-Man's continuity religiously, but I've never seen Peter Parker hanging out in a dojo. Martial Arts is like science, writing, or any other discipline: to create something new, you have to have something to base it on.

Spider-Man is strong, fast, and he has years of experience in real fights. But he's really just a smart brawler, and most importantly, Wolverine actually has more experience. He was training under Ogun in Japan before Peter Parker was born!

I've been over this so many times so I'll say this:its not the most"skilled" fighter who is the "better" fighter, but the one who is a largest threat up close and far away in cases for bats and wolvie, is spiderman.

Velocity and speed play a role, a 30000 lb lifter, who hits at a starting speed of 300-400 mph(first second) will do greater damage,

If spdiey were to go on a killing spree, he would do more than wolverine

Spidermna doesn't have to touch the skeleton, wolverine is deceptively easy to defeat if you know how: overcharging by electric means and such.

it just favors spiderman up close due to consistant battles of his.

Saying martial arts are useless against Spider-man because their hasn't been one made specificly to counter is fighting style is a little extreme don't you think? Every one in the world fights differently, even people who have studied the same martial art and their own little improvements and the like. Besides Spider-man's fighting style is nothing special infact jumping around like he does gives Wolverine an even better chance of beating him.

Originally posted by Zenoside
So your saying that Kung-fu and other martial arts styles sprang out of the trees?

Someone had to create the style, think of how it could be used effectively. A good example would be Akido, someone thought:

If I could use someone's own energy of attack and turn it agaisnt them it would be an awesome weapon.

Anyone can create thier own style, and though Spider-man's style does not have a name per say, it is a style.

Alright, but what, exactly, is so wonderful and new about Spider-Man's style that no previous schooling could possibly prepare Logan-San for its onslaught?

The fact that he uses hit-and-run tactics? There's nothing really new about that. His flexibility? The Chinese have spears and swords designed to wrap around an opponent's weapons.

Yes, he's incredibly strong and fast, but that in of itself is not a new style. So what makes a punch from Spider-Man inherantly different from a punch thrown by Shang-Chi, Master Hama, Space Moose or whoever?

As long as you have application and focus, the flashiness doesn't matter,especially not in spidey's case.

Most humans, have the issue of bone density, muscle density, restricions, weigh, lack of flexibility to strength, and easily available spots, making spiderman negated to all, a 30000 leg pressing leg can launch a 150 lb body FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!

spiderman also wins on more aspects than wolverine.

Originally posted by Zenoside
Wolverines regeneration rate is not that friggen fast.

He cant regenerate a bullet wound (much less a crushing punch from the hulk) in less than a minute!

On a further note, just cause he has an admantium skeleton, it doesnt mean he cant be knocked the heck out. A concussion can occur when the brain hits one of the walls within your cranium too hard. One punch from the hulk should lay him out flat.

When was the last time you read a Wolverine comic? His healing factor was clocked at healing a milimeter behind the path of a bullet in 95 for christ sake! He takes barrages of bullets in stride with out slowing for time to heal.

No offence but you have no clue what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Alright, but what, exactly, is so wonderful and new about Spider-Man's style that no previous schooling could possibly prepare Logan-San for its onslaught?

The fact that he uses hit-and-run tactics? There's nothing really new about that. His flexibility? The Chinese have spears and swords designed to wrap around an opponent's weapons.

Yes, he's incredibly strong and fast, but that in of itself is not a new style. So what makes a punch from Spider-Man inherantly different from a punch thrown by Shang-Chi, Master Hama, Space Moose or whoever?

Spidey's style is harder to dodge or deflect than wolverines adn batmas, because it hits harder and at many different angles.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Saying martial arts are useless against Spider-man because their hasn't been one made specificly to counter is fighting style is a little extreme don't you think? Every one in the world fights differently, even people who have studied the same martial art and their own little improvements and the like. Besides Spider-man's fighting style is nothing special infact jumping around like he does gives Wolverine an even better chance of beating him.

Since all these styles have been used against eachother for so many years, its how they are used. Spider-mans style is totally unique, so natrually a person honed in a martial arts, and trying to use it against Spidey would have alot of trouble.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
When was the last time you read a Wolverine comic? His healing factor was clocked at healing a milimeter behind the path of a bullet in 95 for christ sake! He takes barrages of bullets in stride with out slowing for time to heal.

No offence but you have no clue what you are talking about.

Just a sec...

Originally posted by Zenoside
Your not listening to me, no one martial arts style can beat the other totally. They are bassed on taking advantages from the weaknesses that may occur in a fight. If you ever took martial arts, then you would know this. Akido can effectively counter anything thrown at it, however there are weaknesses presented in every move, and almost every Martial arts style can take advantage of it overall.

Since all these styles have been used against eachother for so many years, its how they are used. Spider-mans style is totally unique, so natrually a person honed in a martial arts, and trying to use it against Spidey would have alot of trouble.

Luckily Wolverine is master of every martial art then

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I've been over this so many times so I'll say this:its not the most"skilled" fighter who is the "better" fighter, but the one who is a largest threat up close and far away in cases for bats and wolvie, is spiderman.

Velocity and speed play a role, a 30000 lb lifter, who hits at a starting speed of 300-400 mph(first second) will do greater damage,

If spdiey were to go on a killing spree, he would do more than wolverine

Spidermna doesn't have to touch the skeleton, wolverine is deceptively easy to defeat if you know how: overcharging by electric means and such.

it just favors spiderman up close due to consistant battles of his.

Does Wolverine's skill give him the advantage? Not necessarily, no. But it can counteract Spider-Man's speed/strength.

Imagine you were playing a chess match against Gary Kasparov. You have four moves to his every one. That certainly gives you an edge, but an advantage? Not necessarily, because a real master of Chess, or fencing, or fisticuffs or whatever, has learned an answer to any given arrangement of pieces (or angle of attack or number of blows or whatever).....

Does it sound extreme? Wolverine has been shown calculating strategies even in the middle of a Bezerker Rage. While examining his mental state in the midst of a Danger Room scenario, Professor Xavier remarked that it's the equivelant of an Olympic Gymnast undergoing his routine while simultaneously defeating five chess masters in his head.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Does Wolverine's skill give him the advantage? Not necessarily, no. But it can counteract Spider-Man's speed/strength.

Imagine you were playing a chess match against Gary Kasparov. You have four moves to his every one. That certainly gives you an edge, but an advantage? Not necessarily, because a real master of Chess, or fencing, or fisticuffs or whatever, has learned an answer to any given arrangement of pieces (or angle of attack or number of blows or whatever).....

Does it sound extreme? Wolverine has been shown calculating strategies even in the middle of a Bezerker Rage. While examining his mental state in the midst of a Danger Room scenario, Professor Xavier remarked that it's the equivelant of an Olympic Gymnast undergoing his routine while simultaneously defeating five chess masters in his head.

Five supercomputers at chest actually

Wolverine's healing is inconsistant.

Against guys like the daredevil itlll show him holding punches etc. he took two days to survive a minor explosion, and in the same comic, got right up from adamantium bullets. He passed out from poisoned tea, and Nick Fury knows how to disable logans factor of healing, its inconsistant and overrated,and hard to use since noone agrees upon it, making it almost a debate topic on its own.

Wolverine heals faster than Deathstroke, but slower than hulk, that is a fact.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spidey's style is harder to dodge or deflect than wolverines adn batmas, because it hits harder and at many different angles.

Yes, but that's a product of his natural (or mutated) speed and strength, not formal training. Spiderman's punches hurt more because he has the preportionate strength of a spider, not because he was taught to throw his fist from the hip whilst turning his wrist.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine's healing is inconsistant.

Against guys like the daredevil itlll show him holding punches etc. he took two days to survive a minor explosion, and in the same comic, got right up from adamantium bullets. He passed out from poisoned tea, and Nick Fury knows how to disable logans factor of healing, its inconsistant and overrated,and hard to use since noone agrees upon it, making it almost a debate topic on its own.

Wolverine heals faster than Deathstroke, but slower than hulk, that is a fact.

That's true. In one story, being slashed across the stomach nearly overloads him. In another, having his arm disentegrated barely slows him down.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine's healing is inconsistant.

Against guys like the daredevil itlll show him holding punches etc. he took two days to survive a minor explosion, and in the same comic, got right up from adamantium bullets. He passed out from poisoned tea, and Nick Fury knows how to disable logans factor of healing, its inconsistant and overrated,and hard to use since noone agrees upon it, making it almost a debate topic on its own.

Wolverine heals faster than Deathstroke, but slower than hulk, that is a fact.

...which is why we ignore high and low PIS showings and take it as it is showing the majority of the time