Wolverine Wins!

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Comics are built on real world logic, believe it or not more than ever before.

There's more trauma in characters life, as well as, violence, sex, and language, these were made by people to reach out to us.

A peak human is where the best of human ability wouldbe, I can do a superhuman feats, it doesn't regularly classify me as superhuman.

Wolverine shouldn't be flinging more than a pool table across the room, and running at beserk the speed of a grey hound.

I'm sorry. Please regale me with your superhuman feats.

EDIT: And for the record, having violence, sex and swearing in your story doesn't necessarily make you any more realistic then South Park. I'm talking about the very real laws of physics, that comic books like to violate on a regular basis.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Formal training in hand-to-hand combat can help you out against someone who would otherwise murder you. Spidey can through six punches in the space of one of Wolverine's, but Wolverine has trained how to turn his body and deflect to the point where it's instinct.

If Wolverine was just a strong bloke with claws, Spider-Man would cream him. The fight is interesting because Wolverine is a master combatant. He can't outpace Spiderman, but he can take shortcuts, so to speak.

I'm not even saying Wolverine beats Spider-Man. I'm just saying it's up in the air.

Hrrrm, you could be right. Then again Spidey doesnt usually go into a close range slugfest.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Comics are built on real world logic, believe it or not more than ever before.

There's more trauma in characters life, as well as, violence, sex, and language, these were made by people to reach out to us.

A peak human is where the best of human ability wouldbe, I can do a superhuman feats, it doesn't regularly classify me as superhuman.

Wolverine shouldn't be flinging more than a pool table across the room, and running at beserk the speed of a grey hound.

Logic left comics aloooooooooong time ago, took his brothers physics and common sense with him

And let me just make a statement, if we go by comics, and throw logic out the window. Then all we are debating for is worth crap.

Because someday Jubilee will destroy Galactus.

Originally posted by Zenoside
Hrrrm, you could be right. Then again Spidey doesnt usually go into a close range slugfest.

And just while I'm ahead, I'll have to sign off and walk my dog, who's been desperately pawing at our ever-so-fragile glass door for the last ten minutes.

BRB.

Can't forget that Wolverine took a nuke too... hahaha, nuke. Inconsistency rules the comic world with an iron fist.

As o the martial arts thing, yes, all forms of human fighting are counterable by other fighting styles. However, you can't counter Spidey's fighting style, if you can even call it that. Spidey's blows would simply launch Logan out of striking distance, giving Peter a chance to prepare his next angle of attack. There's no series of blows to counter, no holes in attacks, because each mini encounter lasts so little time.
Fighting smart, Spiderman could fairly easily distract Wolverine with various projectiles (webs n rocks, mostly) until Wolverine either needs to pause to free himself or is stunned (rock to the head). Then he can proceed to jump down and dish out an easy hit and swing away. Logan won't last long.

And if I had 4 moves to every one in a chess match against anyone, I would win within my first move. 3 move checkmate is uncounterable with only 1 move. Chess masters can counter pretty much any situation if moves are traded one apiece, but not if someone is playing with extra moves. Simply because the other player could outmaneuver them so quickly. It's kinda like fighting someone who is 25 times stronger and a lot faster than you...

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
But you wouldn't beat someone with a ridiculous strength advantage with martial arts, I have done military training, and I cannot beat a polar bear hand 2 hand.

This is actually a pretty nice quote here.Especially when you consider Spidermans stronger than a Polar Bear.Basically if Spidey goes all out on a human opponet they die no questions asked.

For gods sake a car weighs a couple tons and does some pretty hideous things to a human body at high speeds now try and imagine something 10 tons at ultra-high speeds smacking human flesh

The idea ive seen from Wolvie Fanboys that he takes hits from 50-100 strength level guys gets even more innane if you try and imagine what that entails

Originally posted by Zenoside
And let me just make a statement, if we go by comics, and throw logic out the window. Then all we are debating for is worth crap.

Because someday Jubilee will destroy Galactus.

So then we what... decide how we think the character should be portrayed and debate on that? Why dont we just sight fanfiction as evidence as well

Logic within the character profile = Logan is cunning and tactically skilled. He applies these traits in combat.
Logic outside of the character profile = Logan is a genius, able to multitask against five supercomputers all while performing rigorous physical tasks that also require conscious thought.

Originally posted by Piedmon
I'm sorry. Please regale me with your superhuman feats.

EDIT: And for the record, having violence, sex and swearing in your story doesn't necessarily make you any more realistic then South Park. I'm talking about the very real laws of physics, that comic books like to violate on a regular basis.

Only in extreme situations of course, like adrenaline, or something like a seizure.

Physics exist fine, people in comics get killed by lethat real life areas, or gets knocked out in the head rather than their foot right, this isn't that off, or it wouldn't be a debate onit.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Only in extreme situations of course, like adrenaline, or something like a seizure.

Physics exist fine, people in comics get killed by lethat real life areas, or gets knocked out in the head rather than their foot right, this isn't that off, or it wouldn't be a debate onit.

And get powers from radiation and exceed lightspeed and die and come back to life. Physics you say?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Logic left comics aloooooooooong time ago, took his brothers physics and common sense with him

I simply don't agree, what about batman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So then we what... decide how we think the character should be portrayed and debate on that? Why dont we just sight fanfiction as evidence as well

Originally posted by Dizzle
Can't forget that Wolverine took a nuke too... hahaha, nuke. Inconsistency rules the comic world with an iron fist.

As o the martial arts thing, yes, all forms of human fighting are counterable by other fighting styles. However, you can't counter Spidey's fighting style, if you can even call it that. Spidey's blows would simply launch Logan out of striking distance, giving Peter a chance to prepare his next angle of attack. There's no series of blows to counter, no holes in attacks, because each mini encounter lasts so little time.
Fighting smart, Spiderman could fairly easily distract Wolverine with various projectiles (webs n rocks, mostly) until Wolverine either needs to pause to free himself or is stunned (rock to the head). Then he can proceed to jump down and dish out an easy hit and swing away. Logan won't last long.

And if I had 4 moves to every one in a chess match against anyone, I would win within my first move. 3 move checkmate is uncounterable with only 1 move. Chess masters can counter pretty much any situation if moves are traded one apiece, but not if someone is playing with extra moves. Simply because the other player could outmaneuver them so quickly. It's kinda like fighting someone who is 25 times stronger and a lot faster than you...

Logans more of a one trick pony, its slash and slash better once I'm mad, who would be the better threat against an enemy?

Batman=God... How is that logical? 😄 And yes, sometimes comics get really retarded. Especially when they take fans into consideration.

this so called "C-Master" is actually a spidey stan

he'll try to deny it, but then again it's too late

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And get powers from radiation and exceed lightspeed and die and come back to life. Physics you say?

You are stuck on origins, Iam talking about combat, flash is strong but physics apply when he vibrates through stuff, or when bats or spidey uses a strategy against an enemy,it comes into play then.

Physics has nothing to do with life. Death equals the total and permenant end of all vital function. Money is essential for an Icon, the icon lived and brought back the character.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So then we what... decide how we think the character should be portrayed and debate on that? Why dont we just sight fanfiction as evidence as well

What i wonder is whats the point of a Comic book VS forum at all if its participants dont have any actual abilties and can be whatever someone wants.The main problem on these forum is nobody wants to distinguish when bad writing has created a situation that could only be labeled "plothole".

If Jervis the Avengers Butler suddenly could save earth from a FP Galactus by melting him with his laser breath after battering away Big Gs best shot and there was no explanation as to why and the writer of this comic Timmah the crippled boy was immediately killed afterwards id HOPE somebody would relize something was wrong with that example

Originally posted by Pointinel
this so called "C-Master" is actually a spidey stan

he'll try to deny it, but then again it's too late

Ouch whats a spidey stan?

Originally posted by Zenoside
Basicly, I could use any evidence I want to. Frankly its outside logic, and so Spiderman can lift the world, then eat every other superhero for breakfast. Then he can go to the bathroom, and create a whole new civilization, a utopia where everyone lives under rainbows that shoot out skittles!

Exactly. Some semblance of logic, physics etc has to apply. It may not be exactly the same as real world, it may even be a bit absurd at times but there still have to be limits.