Wolverine Wins!

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine's healing is inconsistant.

Against guys like the daredevil itlll show him holding punches etc. he took two days to survive a minor explosion, and in the same comic, got right up from adamantium bullets. He passed out from poisoned tea, and Nick Fury knows how to disable logans factor of healing, its inconsistant and overrated,and hard to use since noone agrees upon it, making it almost a debate topic on its own.

Wolverine heals faster than Deathstroke, but slower than hulk, that is a fact.

The heal factor is very inconsistant.

And seriously if it is really that damn fast, I'd have to rate Wolverine up there with Superman as the stupidest characters ever created.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Does Wolverine's skill give him the advantage? Not necessarily, no. But it can counteract Spider-Man's speed/strength.

Imagine you were playing a chess match against Gary Kasparov. You have four moves to his every one. That certainly gives you an edge, but an advantage? Not necessarily, because a real master of Chess, or fencing, or fisticuffs or whatever, has learned an answer to any given arrangement of pieces (or angle of attack or number of blows or whatever).....

Does it sound extreme? Wolverine has been shown calculating strategies even in the middle of a Bezerker Rage. While examining his mental state in the midst of a Danger Room scenario, Professor Xavier remarked that it's the equivelant of an Olympic Gymnast undergoing his routine while simultaneously defeating five chess masters in his head.

Yes it does sound a little extreme, bordering on ludicrous. The world's best chess player can't beat supercomputers and yet Wolverine can beat five simultaneously while his mind is on a gymnast routine. Where's the logic behind this? I don't think even the hotness that is Sage could beat five simultaneously while undergoing major physical tasks and she is the queen of multitasking.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Does Wolverine's skill give him the advantage? Not necessarily, no. But it can counteract Spider-Man's speed/strength.

Imagine you were playing a chess match against Gary Kasparov. You have four moves to his every one. That certainly gives you an edge, but an advantage? Not necessarily, because a real master of Chess, or fencing, or fisticuffs or whatever, has learned an answer to any given arrangement of pieces (or angle of attack or number of blows or whatever).....

Does it sound extreme? Wolverine has been shown calculating strategies even in the middle of a Bezerker Rage. While examining his mental state in the midst of a Danger Room scenario, Professor Xavier remarked that it's the equivelant of an Olympic Gymnast undergoing his routine while simultaneously defeating five chess masters in his head.

Lets not forget the webbing that makes it 120,000 lbs per square millimeter. That and an unpulled attacck from spiderman in the right area would keep wolverine down, long enough for a defeat. Wolverine cant casually lift cars, or logically gain leverage to break handcuffs, but spierman has more options available, and can just go on a wall and gnore him, not to mention, precog, intelligence, dexterity, versatility, and many other factors

if you were a villian, who would pose the greatest threat??

Originally posted by Piedmon
Yes, but that's a product of his natural (or mutated) speed and strength, not formal training. Spiderman's punches hurt more because he has the preportionate strength of a spider, not because he was taught to throw his fist from the hip whilst turning his wrist.

And thats why he stands a better chance at winning. Im glad you agree. 😄

Unless you want to match up a depowered Spidey with Wolvie.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Does Wolverine's skill give him the advantage? Not necessarily, no. But it can counteract Spider-Man's speed/strength.

Imagine you were playing a chess match against Gary Kasparov. You have four moves to his every one. That certainly gives you an edge, but an advantage? Not necessarily, because a real master of Chess, or fencing, or fisticuffs or whatever, has learned an answer to any given arrangement of pieces (or angle of attack or number of blows or whatever).....

Does it sound extreme? Wolverine has been shown calculating strategies even in the middle of a Bezerker Rage. While examining his mental state in the midst of a Danger Room scenario, Professor Xavier remarked that it's the equivelant of an Olympic Gymnast undergoing his routine while simultaneously defeating five chess masters in his head.

Lets not forget the webbing that makes it 120,000 lbs per square millimeter. That and an unpulled attacck from spiderman in the right area would keep wolverine down, long enough for a defeat. Wolverine cant casually lift cars, or logically gain leverage to break handcuffs, but spierman has more options available, and can just go on a wall and gnore him, not to mention, precog, intelligence, dexterity, versatility, and many other factors

if you were a villian, who would pose the greatest threat??

or by stats, he is higher than Deathstroke, but lower than Hulk.

If Spiderman were to lose, I'd have to say a majority of the time its because he pulls his punches.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes it does sound a little extreme, bordering on ludicrous. The world's best chess player can't beat supercomputers and yet Wolverine can beat five simultaneously while his mind is on a gymnast routine. Where's the logic behind this? I don't think even the hotness that is Sage could beat five simultaneously while undergoing major physical tasks and she is the queen of multitasking.

Where's the logic behind a man getting bitten by a radioactive spider and somehow acquiring a Spider-Sense? Spiders don't seem especially aware of their surroundings when I smash them.

Comic books often don't operate on real-world logic. People listed at "Peak Human," skill do things not even the most athletic man ever born could do all the time.

wolverine is cool... dont hate him. and dont hate the writers too, there's a reason why they write the stories and we read them

we all know who can kill who in a spidey vs. logan match...
i dont think spidey can punch him that hard to actually kill him

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Yes it does sound a little extreme, bordering on ludicrous. The world's best chess player can't beat supercomputers and yet Wolverine can beat five simultaneously while his mind is on a gymnast routine. Where's the logic behind this? I don't think even the hotness that is Sage could beat five simultaneously while undergoing major physical tasks and she is the queen of multitasking.

DD and Black Panther have done complex trig equations in their heads in split seconds to calculate trajectory down to the milimeter... it isn't so far fetched in a comic

Wolerines regeneration is determined randomly.Every comic heis the writers roll a set of percentile dice and the higher the number the better his regeneration is.This is why ive seen him or examples ive heard

1 Get stabbed and KOed by Marrow taking several minutes to heal then getting up all Feral

2 Beatten to heck by nimrod KOed and Nimrod approximating it would take 10 minutes for him to get back up

3 Blasted by Sinister once bruned badly but kept coming.Blasted again most of his skin burned badly and he now inches forward.Blasted again most of his body hideously burned but hes up on Sinister and somebody winz the battle with the distraction.Wolvie is then on the ground and apparently was going to take a LONG time to heal

4 Blasted by a Sentinel in DOFP and reduced to nothing but his Andamantium bones.No coming back no istant healing around the blast just dead

5 Regenerating from a drop of blood

Originally posted by Piedmon
Where's the logic behind a man getting bitten by a radioactive spider and somehow acquiring a Spider-Sense? Spiders don't seem especially aware of their surroundings when I smash them.

Comic books often don't operate on real-world logic. People listed at "Peak Human," skill do things not even the most athletic man ever born could do all the time.

Sorry. I meant within the logic of the character profile.

Originally posted by Zenoside
And thats why he stands a better chance at winning. Im glad you agree. 😄

Unless you want to match up a depowered Spidey with Wolvie.

Formal training in hand-to-hand combat can help you out against someone who would otherwise murder you. Spidey can through six punches in the space of one of Wolverine's, but Wolverine has trained how to turn his body and deflect to the point where it's instinct.

If Wolverine was just a strong bloke with claws, Spider-Man would cream him. The fight is interesting because Wolverine is a master combatant. He can't outpace Spiderman, but he can take shortcuts, so to speak.

I'm not even saying Wolverine beats Spider-Man. I'm just saying it's up in the air.

Man most of spidey's villians are alive because he let them live.

Spiderman knocked venom 20 yards at a water tower, aftet he saw himkill an innocent.

Spiderman would kill DD, Cap, and Bats in one hit fact, you forget velocity.

Spiderman can rip logans organs, why would he bother with punching, brains is spidey's best weapons.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sorry. I meant within the logic of the character profile.

It's fine--those "official," biographies are useless. The best way to get a feel for what a character can and can't do is to read about them. Different writers have different interpretations, but stick with the storylines and a broad concensus starts to emerge (hopefully.) 😉

Originally posted by Piedmon
Formal training in hand-to-hand combat can help you out against someone who would otherwise murder you. Spidey can through six punches in the space of one of Wolverine's, but Wolverine has trained how to turn his body and deflect to the point where it's instinct.

If Wolverine was just a strong bloke with claws, Spider-Man would cream him. The fight is interesting because Wolverine is a master combatant. He can't outpace Spiderman, but he can take shortcuts, so to speak.

I'm not even saying Wolverine beats Spider-Man. I'm just saying it's up in the air.

But you wouldn't beat someone with a ridiculous strength advantage with martial arts, I have done military training, and I cannot beat a polar bear hand 2 hand.

Originally posted by EvilCap America
5 Regenerating from a drop of blood

😑 K I have to let my debating skills escape me for a moment to say, that's just retarded.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
But you wouldn't beat someone with a ridiculous strength advantage with martial arts, I have done military training, and I cannot beat a polar bear hand 2 hand.

Yes but in comics martial arts allow you to do crap like disapper into the shadows so that Superman can't even find you and defeat 100 armed men with out killing any of them

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😑 K I have to let my debating skills escape me for a moment to say, that's just retarded.

There was a magic orb envovled... it also turned Wolverine to a god.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Man most of spidey's villians are alive because he let them live.

Spiderman knocked venom 20 yards at a water tower, aftet he saw himkill an innocent.

Spiderman would kill DD, Cap, and Bats in one hit fact, you forget velocity.

Spiderman can rip logans organs, why would he bother with punching, brains is spidey's best weapons.

That's true.

So what are the circumstances of this fight? Has Wolverine just brutally slaughtered Aunt May? Because yes, then Spider-Man pushes himself to his limits in rage, and Wolvie is ****ed six ways to Sunday.

Or maybe Spider-Man just uprooted Mariko's body and hung her rotting corpse from the veranda as a Halloween gag. And now Wolverine is in a bezerker rage, his strength and speed are amped up to the point where Spidey's only marginally ahead, and his mind is still crafting the most effecient strategies to get at Parker.

We have to assume that, to get a real idea of who's the better combatant, both characters are not under any special form of duress at the moment. So Spidey wouldn't be trying to kill Wolverine.... he's only employed lethal force at the point where he's enraged past logic, and well, see above.

Originally posted by Piedmon
Where's the logic behind a man getting bitten by a radioactive spider and somehow acquiring a Spider-Sense? Spiders don't seem especially aware of their surroundings when I smash them.

Comic books often don't operate on real-world logic. People listed at "Peak Human," skill do things not even the most athletic man ever born could do all the time.

Comics are built on real world logic, believe it or not more than ever before.

There's more trauma in characters life, as well as, violence, sex, and language, these were made by people to reach out to us.

A peak human is where the best of human ability wouldbe, I can do a superhuman feats, it doesn't regularly classify me as superhuman.

Wolverine shouldn't be flinging more than a pool table across the room, and running at beserk the speed of a grey hound.